-=jd=- wrote:
On Mon 10 May 2004 01:09:43a, m II wrote in
message news:r8Enc.31222$LA4.29569@edtnps84:


-=jd=- wrote:


This doesn't excuse the actions of either side by *any* stretch of the
imagination. I'm offering it to provide you with a realistic point of
reference before you embarass yourself by only condemning one side.

The history of Soviet expansionism into Asia is a pretty long one. Lots
of countries have disappeared because of Russian imperialism. Many of
these occupied countries want their independence back. When they do,
they get stepped on hard.

Next, will you be telling me that the Russian atrocities committed
during the Hungarian uprising were ok. Or the Squashing of the Chech
revolt. Or the starving of three million Ukranians by the communist
scum. The expansion of Russian empire eastwards wasn't as well
documented in the West. The loss in life may have been horrendous.



Typical liberal response: spin, deflect and if all else fails & one's
position is entirely untenable (as in the current issue of MII's lack of a
valid point of reference) change the meaning of what the other person
said, or just make-up something outright. Next time, be sure not to
include the quoted portion of the other person's post that highlights the
dubious tactic you've chosen to take..

This sounds suspiciously like a college level debate coach I'm somewhat
familiar with... Hmmm...

In any event, you've completely ignored everything in my post and made up
something entirely different. Now why would you do that? Most likely
because you have absolutely no standing for your *selective* condemnations
when both sides are committing attrocites, especially the muslims. But you
have no valid point of reference, so you are ignorant. Innocently
ignorant, but ignorant about the subject you are speaking on nonetheless.

The fact that you steadfastly refuse to even acknowledge that the muslims
are in dire need of condemnation _as well as the Russians_ belies your
blinders. I'll leave it to the other readers to form their own opinion
about the "type" of blinders you so readily don.

Read the quoted portion of my post you included, then justify your
statements. Please show me where I excuse *anyone*. I'll offer the same
$50 bounty to you as I did before when you... er, I mean "MWB", tried the
same lame debate tactic. I also called you...er, I mean "MWB" to task on
that one as well. If you can't support your position, don't make it worse
by changing someone else's words to suit your made-up argument...

Here, let me include my whole post again, then after you go view those
vids of muslim combatants doing what they apparently do best, then you
come back here and ignore muslim attrocities at your own risk. I will be
poised and ready to point you out for the hypocrite that you are. Until
then, you have no valid point of reference to condemn anyone involved in
the conflict. Below, I give you a link on a silver platter to provide you
with that valid point of reference from a liberal anti-war source. You
should be thrilled!

Here's the post again:
**********************
Perhaps the Russians became accustomed to treating those Chechen muslims
as those muslims treated the Russians:

http://www.thenausea.com/chechenya.html

Make sure you watch the execution of the two russian officers. Also,
you'll want to see the Russian soldier with his eyes cut out before the
peaceful, loving muslims killed him. Try to keep both of your eye wide
open as you view these.

Then, afterwards, you can tell us all how the Chechen muslims are so
innocent in comparison to the mean old sadistic Russians.

This doesn't excuse the actions of either side by *any* stretch of the
imagination. I'm offering it to provide you with a realistic point of
reference before you embarass yourself by only condemning one side.
**********************

Again: This doesn't excuse the actions of either side by *any* stretch of
the imagination. I'm offering it to provide you with a realistic point of
reference before you embarass yourself by only condemning one side.

Let me go over that just *one-more-time*: Again: This doesn't excuse the
actions of either side by *any* stretch of the imagination. I'm offering
it to provide you with a realistic point of reference before you embarass
yourself by only condemning one side.

I can repeat that again, if needed...

Spank you very much!

-=jd=-

I am the hypocrite? I think not. The Chechens were on the US side during
the Cold war, don't you remember? These same people *STILL* want their
freedom. They haven't changed. **WASHINGTON** has changed. From being
'heroes of anti communism' to 'terrorist' without ANY change in their
ideaology. Don't you think people NOTICE this disposable type of
friendship on the part of your politicians? Does this activity instill
TRUST in future alliances? Not likely.

When Barry Goldwater said "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no
vice." it only applied to American business interests? I thought he
meant it more on a universal scale.


mike