Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


Lenof21 wrote:


In article , Mike Coslo
writes:




I'm TRYING to argue against the morse code test. You are trying
to squelch such arguments by misdirection into defamation of any
who are against the morse code test.

Hmm, you possibly could:

Start a Morse code thread


I have.



Try to refrain from the pejoratives


Sorry. Someone insults me, I give 'em back lots more.

So when have I insulted you? You aren't considering disagreement as
insulting are you?



So far, in this Din of Inequity, the few, the proud (of themselves),
the murines (eyewash) wan't to pummel and pound on any
NCTA...especially using personal pejoratives.

Bill Sohl seems to have escaped that fate when he posts here.


You never know what might happen.


Sorry, sweetums, I've seen what has already happened. So have
you and everyone else accessing this newsgrope.

Chicken and egg syndrome? Given the history of posters here, I would
suspect that if you were to adopt a different strategy, there would be
some posts that would be provoking. However, if ignored, that stuff goes
away.


Given the "history of posters here," especially the PCTA extras,
your good idea is merely impractical bull****.

PCTA extras all pretend to be "superior" and let everyone know it.



Then again, I suspect you enjoy things just the way they are. 8^)


You are WRONG.

Seriously? You don't enjoy tweaking people?


The "tweaking" is easy for me to do. Most of the postings I do
simply "write themselves." :-)

You seem to forget that I've had a long career of working in electronics.
Electrons (in electronics) do NOT get influenced by human desires.
All humans who work with electrons have to play be electron's rules.
I enjoy that kind of work. It appears cold, hard, logical but can be
quite creative once you learn electron's rules. Once that is done, they
CAN follow human orders.

The odd part of human nature is that the PCTA extras think that all
must follow Their rules, obey them, etc., and some get quite
fanciful in imagining the "motivations" of the NCTA.


So another description of
what you are doing is that you are engaging in something that you hate
to do, in the interests of eliminating the Morse code test, in a Usenet
newsgroup?


Incorrect. Your speculation is nonsense.

Correct, And it was written as such. Problem is, now we are running out
of motives.

You forget that many more readers follow what goes on in here.
They, too, can see/read the propaganda nonsense about the
nobility and efficacy of morse code and the alleged "necessity"
of the amateur radio morse code test. Those readers need a bit
of boost on the reasons AGAINST it. Myself and others have
presented opposing reasons for that code test.


Are you making some sort of Quixotic sacrifice in a Usenet
newsgroup in an attempt to eliminate Morse code testing?


No. If you will bother to read the 18 petitions at the FCC you
would see that it isn't some Cervantes fictional character
exercise...but, some of the proponents of the code test are
indeed human windmills whirling in dead air.


The PCTA just can't take opposing views
on the morse code test. They get so very bitchy and angry
and demand to get all who argue against the retention that it
becomes a repeated comedy of brainwashing phrases by them.

No problem on my replying in kind to the PCTA...if I have the
time to spend on their trite, tired, tintabulation of olde-tyme
phrases. I'm busy with lots of other things, but I can find time
once in a while to puncture their arrogant balloons of old, stale,
hot air.

All the arguments are old and we've heard them a lot. From both sides.


Poor baby. You seem distressed. Or perhaps your lordship
wishes better entertainment?

Hmm, no distress here.

Here is a suggestion for your lordship: Use your amateur radio
license and operate your mighty transceiver on the air instead of
accessing this newsgroup. Chat with other human beings (or what
passes for same).

Or, your lordship could take the lead and open up a real Chat Room
all about morse code on amateur radio and how wonderful it is and
that morsemanship should be done by all the "superior" beings. You
could develop a real following and become a Name in Chat Room
circles, get known, develop a "rep." Or even a website where you
could post "awards" given by the certificate makers and praise
yourself for being so damn good.

If I didn't know better, I would think you are being sarcastic and sardonic.


This is NOT a "Chat Room" for idle gossip and cracker-barrel
philosophy by a few regulars who have grown overly full of themselves.
Even though they think they own the place (and can therefore dictate
who gets to sit in), they don't. True. They don't even when their
feathers get very ruffled by opposing opinions. (poor things...)

Correct, This is not a chat room.

Morse code is an old, primitive communications mode. The first
morse code was used in 1844...on a commercial wired system, not
on radio (radio had yet to be proved to exist). Early radio used on-
off keying codes because that was the ONLY practical way to
communicate given that there were no vacuum tubes and certainly
no transistors. Primitive stuff that was first demonstrated in 1896.
What passes for truisms about morse code "superiority" as
spouted by the ARRL was formed in the 1930s, seven decades ago.
Of course the reasons to maintain morse code testing are OLD.

The silly part of it is that so many olde-tymers insist that the old
is "best" and that nothing should change. They can't devise any
good reasons to keep that code test, nothing new during the seven
decades they've tried. All those reasons are tired, trite, cliches'
and the reasons against them are true, familiar, easy to repeat.
Again, refutation of the pro-code-test-advocates' "reasons" almost
"write themselves."

The only thing "new" with the PCTA extras is their propensity for
"replying" by personal insults against the NCTA. All NCTA are
"inferior" to them and their mighty accomplishments with morse.
In short, they are so full of themselves that they cannot accept
any others' inputs. They are stuffed and over-stuffed. Some go to
the bursting point. Two former PCTA extras in here may have
done just that. Other PCTA extras are expected to follow.

Perhaps you should go to Church more often...such as to the
Church of St. Hiram, the patron saint of Newington. There you
could mass with other morsemen and celebrate the mode in
chorus with a heavenly choir. Wash your brain regularly lest all
the old, tired, trite cliches' fall out. By all means, exercise your
morsemanship regularly to be ready for the Second Coming of
Aliens so you can defeat them via morse code and thereby
Save the World. After all, you are "superior" through morse code.

Oh dear. You really don't have a whole lot else to say do you?

So anyhow, how do you feel about the VEC rates increasing?

- Mike KB3EIA