"Al Patrick" wrote in message
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Pilotbutteradio wrote:

Al, I am not militant KJV only.

But MANY are.

Yes indeed.




"Al Patrick" wrote in message
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Now, If God can so perfectly provide, protect, and promote His Word in
the KJV why can He not do the same with some other version? Also, if


He certainly can. The question is if He did, or wanted to.

It's possible some of the translations are the "strong delusion" we are
told of. However, many KJO folks throw the baby out with the bath water.


the KJV is the alpha and omega of God's Word why not tell the Wycliffe
translators to get their butts back home and save all that mission /
translation money. If the heathen want to come to God bad enough


Ah....money. I think you are on to something here.


Yes, and it goes a lot further than "a lot of folks making money off those
'perversion versions'". It might be some woman making money off selling
her KJO literature.

There are those who think this whole KJO thing goes a LOT deeper. Perhaps
by going KJO it will keep many away from ALL the other versions, including
the NASB and the Septuagint. Some think it is mainly to keep folks away
from the Septuagint.






they'll learn the English language of 1611 (almost 400 years old) so they
can read it. Never mind that some of them don't even have THEIR OWN
language in written form!


That is really the only translation work that is still needed.
Translation of the Textus Receptus into other languages. It is my
understanding that the KJV has been translated into 100's of languages
already. I don't think we need to translate Wescott and Hort or Nestle
Aland into the same languages.

Sounds like you have been reading Gail's book. Do you realize she uses
witchcraft at the very front of that book - and other places? Also that
MANY of her references are lies, at least by omission, and some by out and
out telling things that are not true?


I read the book years ago. I would not argue that she goes over the top in
places. But as you said, we can't throw the baby out with the bathwater
either. I would argue for the things in the book that ARE valid and
supported elsewhere. Like the points I made above. We do have to be good
stewards, rightly dividing the word of truth.



Before God pulled me out of my rutt, I did not understand much of the
bible no matter what version I read.

Do you realize that Gail NEVER capitalizes Bible in her book - just as you
did not then?


Okay, Bible. My appologies. This is not about Gail. The Bible is spiritually
discerned. Regardless of the version, and regardless of what Gail says or
does not say in her book. If God wants you to understand it, you will. If He
does not want you to, you won't.







I read the KJV (duh...). I have spent hours with my son (11) studying
God's word in the KJ version. My son goes to a Lutheran school and is
required to learn verses in the NIV.

The NIV, though very "popular", is far from the most accurate. This is
the one Gail quotes the most but she is really after the NASB and
Septuagint.



God's truth does not change.

But words used to translate God's Word / Truth so change. Remember when
"gay" meant happy? When "get down" meant to actually get down off
something?

Yes, agreed. Just as I addressed in my previous post.




Ask the people who were closest to the action for the most accurate
account of what words meant then.

Are we trying to reach 400 year old people? Good luck. I suspect we
should be, like David, serving our own generation. I Cor. 13 speaks of
"charity" but it meant "love" when it was written. Today one thinks of a
hand out as charity.

Yes it meant love "in action".

The archaic language in the translation was not the point. The reference was
to the manuscripts and the meaning of the Greek words. Not the changed
meaning of words used to translate the manuscripts.

I have yet to see an example of where an old word in the KJ has obscured
the meaning of an important issue in the Bible. I would like to hear an
example if you have one. I do hear many who claim to be Christians, making
excuses about why they won't read the Bible. I suspect the problem lies in
the heart, not the text.



What troubles me is the REMOVAL of words and entire passages, in
addition to the items of Greek translation I mention above, and the way
the KJV is demeaned in the preface of some translations. The fact that in
just the NIV alone, there are many different versions. Some omitting this
and some qualifying that.

Yep. That's the NIV for you. Seems they have come out with a queer bible
(yes, I used lower case in THAT case) which I'm sure will leave out many
more -- and possibly add in a few. But that is THOSE Bibles. You still
don't need to throw out the good with the bad. You need to CULL.

I have an NASB here that I use as a secondary source. This is one where when
I hear things worded differently than the KJ, I have investigated the words
in question. Every time I have found the KJ to be correct IMHO. That would
include looking at the received Greek text, and Greek text based on late
1800's variety.
Again, just IMHO.




I am sad to say this truth about modern versions. There is always a
"better, more understandable" version on the bookstore shelf. Why?
Because if we copyright it, we can sell it.

This is another of Gail's and Texxe's arguments! Do you think they GIVE
their books away. NO. They are COPYRIGHTED! There are people who always
accuse you of what THEY are guilty of, and if you've been been properly
bewitched, enchanted, mesmerized, you'll never realize it.


Well I am certainly a capitalist. But I do have trouble with all of the
Christian stores around today, and you do have a point about selling other
related books. It would be hard for me to know where to draw the line there.
The commercialization of the Christian faith is sickening to me. More
because I know so many of the people involved to be pretending, and not
changed.

You must be subscribed to some Christian oriented newsgroups. Can you
recommend some?





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