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Old December 1st 04, 05:44 AM
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If you wish, I can supply links to the writeups on Ballard's finds
in professional journals.


I can find 'em.


I'm not going to let your demurral stop me, because there are really
only 2 on the 'net:

Ballard, R. D. Fred Hiebert, Dwight Coleman, Cheryl Ward,
Jennifer Smith, Kathryn Willis, Brendan Foley, Katherine Croff,
Candace Major, Francesco Torre
2001
Deepwater Archaeology of the Black Sea of the Black Sea:
The 2000 Season at Sinop, Turkey
American Journal of Archeology, v. 105, no. 4, pp. 607-623

http://www.ajaonline.org/archive/105...54.pdf#ballard

There you will see, on p. 615, the supposed habitation site:
Table 1.
Radiocarbon Analysis of Samples Collected from the Surface of Site 82

The dates range from 250 to 120 BP, i.e.
no earlier than the 17th Century A.D..


Right, but they also state that all of those things were surface items
recently deposited on the site. They weren't claiming that they were left
there by the inhabitants. Did you catch the bit about the "concentrations of
zinc and copper"? That one really caught me off guard! I'm usre that they
didn't mean for it to be as funny as I found it. g

Also, on the previous page,
"Two samples were taken of the top 5-7 cm of deposit from within Site
82 ...
Both samples contained ... no ceramics, stone debitage, or diagnostic
artifacts."


I'm missing your point. They didn't find anything diagnostic...that's all.
Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence, as they say. And they do note
that more sampling and collection of baseline data is needed. Seems to be
the proper stance to me.

Whatever it may be, the "habitation site" is not proof of a BSFlood.
It could easily be 12,000 years old, which is about when the level
of the Black Sea dropped to its lowest point.


That's a possibility. It sounds like the jury is still out; I can wait for
the verdict, albeit a bit impatiently.

By the way, thanks again for that link. It was a neat one. I loved those
pictures! I didn't expect them, and was quite pleasantly surprised to find
them. But am I the only guy around that loathes pdf's?

Sad to say, Ballard didn't find Noah's house.

There's just one mo

Further evidence of abrupt Holocene drowning of the Black Sea shelf.
Ballard, R.D, Coleman, D.F., Rosenberg, G. D.
2000
Marine Geology. 170; 3-4, Pages 253-261

There used to be more, but his archaeolologist Hiebert's pages on
the subject are gone, even from his own professional site, which
otherwise seems not to have been updated for more than a year:

http://www.museum.upenn.edu/Sinop/SinopIntro.htm

Ballard's latest report on his 2000 season in the Black Sea
mentions the BSFlood, but notes that it is controversial, and says
nothing at all about Noah's address, Site 82.


I keep getting "cannot find server" error messages when I try to navigate
from that page. I'll continue with my attempts, though. That looks like
interesting reading.


http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/lin....00002.x/full/


http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/ope...ssue=1&spage=2



http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/...100901.141249?

Abstract:

http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/....100901.141249

Nuts. Those are pay sites. I'm not about to give them $15 regardless of
how interested I am, so I'll just have to take your word for it. g

Hmmm ... what's that subtle taste? I remember it from long ago,
but I so rarely encounter it nowadays ... HAH! That's It! It's
Rationality!


It's a rare beast, more's the pity. Anyway, that's the flood that the
original poster was referring to. Whether it happened or not is a different
matter. My mind's made up on the Noachin one, though.