"Tom H" wrote in message
news:PvNEd.49694$6l.47330@pd7tw2no...
There most definately IS a point to all of this --- one relating to the
legal balance between privacy vs protection of property (seriously OT, I
know), a very important point to the loss prevention dept and not
superfluous or trivial at all.
OK, if the penalty for refusing to permit a search is being banned, every
crook in town will show up one after the other and be subjected to
banning,
whilst making off with a ton of plunder in the process.
Lets leave the question of whether or not there is another method of
detecting theft aside (which, duh, of course there is, this is simply a
"just for the sake of argument" question), lets just say the only method
of
detecting theft was the beeper. OK, a guy goes through, beep beep, "No, I
didn't take anything, I'm not submitting.", "You are banned.", "Fine, see
you later ...", and another couple hundred dollars worth of stuff walks
out
the door? That doesn't sound right.
My question is: doesn't the fact that the beeper went off give security
the
right (Probable cause) to make an arrest, in the event that the person
refuses to submit to a search?

No, I unfortunatly have the pleasure of working retail and we use the
detectors. In the state of Florida you may not stop a person on just the
detector device going off you must see the person remove the item and place
it on them too make a stop. The detectors are there too make them think
twice before theft or cut out the item and thus leaving behind the package
too be found and loss control be made better.

scoob


"BTR1701" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"69FLH" wrote:

There's some ****ing people that just have too much time on their
hands.....

Yeah, I don't. That's why I didn't want to wait in the receipt check
line.

"BTR1701" wrote in message
...
In article , "nana"

wrote:

It is a condition of entry and there will be a Notice somewhere
stating
the
fact. If you do not wish to comply, then don't go in. Since you want
to
kick
up a fuss, they can ban you from the store.

How? Not sure how they'd even know who I am. If I don't stop for them
to
check my receipt, I'm sure not going to stop for them to take down my
name and information for future banning purposes and there's no law
that
says I have to.

I understand all these "what if" scenarios, but WHY would you want
to
make a
complete ass of yourself, make yourself known as a troublemaker, get
yourself banned from these stores and besmirch your reputation?

Because it's just one more damn line to stand in. Shopping at Best
buy
this past Christmas, I stood in line to get to the register for over
30
minutes, then when I finally get there and pay for my stuff, I walk
toward the doors only to find another line 20 people deep waiting to
have their receipt checked. At that point, I'd had enough of it and
just
walked around it and out the door.

The clerk guy didn't catch up with me till I was already at my car
and
said he had to check my receipt. I said, no he didn't because if I
hadn't paid for what I walked out with, the alarms would have gone
off.
Since they didn't, I don't need to be searched. I got in my car and
drove off. I broke no law so there's nothing they could do. [And they
had no clue who I was so it's not like they could "ban" me, either.
Of
course, I don't even live in that city so even if they did figure a
way
to ban me, so what?]

And how is that going to "besmirch my reputation"? It's not like the
whole world is going to know I decided to rebel against the receipt
search policy and even if they did, how that makes me look bad such
that
my reputation is besmirched, I'm not sure.

Somehow I think I could live with the "shame".