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February 16th 05, 01:28 AM

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Todd Daugherty wrote:

The Death of Amateur Radio

It is interesting that what you propose to do would hasten your
"Death of Amateur Radio" in my opinion.

If we get a few hundred more such as yourself that believe that
they
need to broadcast their opinions over the amateur bands, more

and

more
Amateurs will find something else to do with their leisure

time, as

they
have no room to transmit as the bands fill up with "bulletin
free speech transmissions. All the while transforming the Amateur bands
into some sort of mutant version of the AM broadcast band.

No where in my paper do I state that amateurs should
broadcasting.

"amateurs should broadcasting"?

There are
some including the FCC who wishes to keep the service to where
all you do is give a signal report, location, ect.

That's simply not true! I've had many long and enjoyable QSOs on a
variety of subjects, with never a problem on content from FCC. The
only limits on content
were "no pecuniary interest" and keeping it "G-rated".

As I stated in my paper a good example
of this was packet radio. Packet is pretty much died around here
because all
of the content on them was "For Sale" stuff. Packet would of
survive if BBS's were set up to cater to certain topics or discussion
groups.

Such as?

A BBS with discussion on antenna designing, Another BBS with
discussion on on experimenting. Another BBS with amaeur policy. These are just to
name a few there was a issue CQ VHF that went into greater detail about the
set up. The point is to have all the for sale stuff on one BBS and a diverse
of other BBS on other subjects.

Sounds good in theory. But in practice, how would that work? Could hams
all over the world, or even all over the USA, access that particular
BBS? If so, how?

I don't know, but if someone did do something like that on Packet, I
would definitely be interested.

I tried years ago to set something up like that however a few
local amateurs threated to go to the FCC and claim that the system is
interferning with their system.

How many years ago? And would it have interfered?

It seems to me that one of the limitations of amateur packet radio is
that
it hasn't evolved much past the 1200 baud/BBS mindset of 20+ years ago.
Heck,
even trailingedge computer types like me have been running 56k dialup
modems for almost a decade!

Spot on!

Wasn't amateur packet originally set up for 1200 baud because you could
use a
voice FM 2 m radio without any mods? You'd think that by now packet
would have
moved to much higher speeds and much higher bands...but that would mean
someone
would actually have to build a radio to do it...

Agreed.

You note that you look for a free space to transmit in. So
what? K1MAN doesn't. He opens up on whoever is on the frequency and
threatens those who don't move. How many more "free speech advocates" will
decide that anyone on "their frequency" is an infringement on their free
speech?

Information Bulletins are legal no matter what you or anyone
believes.

If the bulletins meet the specific criteria I outlined in another
post, they're legal.

The problem is however, that there are amateur radio operators who
feel that information bulletins which deal with amateur radio issues shouldn't
be opinionated and it is those same amateurs operators when the bulletin
is transmitting then begin jamming the Information bulletin because they
feel the transmission is illegal.

Jamming is an enforcement issue.

Interference which K1MAN is doing is not legal.

Agreed!

I wonder if wattage limits are an infringement on a persons

free

speech? Limiting it limits the number of people who can be

reached.

Suggestion that Lib net members use an alternative method of
getting
their views out is not infringement of their free speech, it is

a

suggestion. And not a bad one at that. No one is forcing them

off

the air, just suggesting a better venue for their views.

The FCC shouldn't even suggest it.

Yes, they should, if they see the content and behavior as

detrimental

to the ARS. Which they do.

Again the FCC is barred from controlling
the content of any station.

That's simply not true.

yes and no Under Section 326 of the Communication Act the FCC is

barred to

control the content of any station.

I'll ask again: What exact verbiage says that?

The only content the FCC is allowed to
control is obscene and indecent material and that's it.

How about commercial content on the ham bands?

How about using radio to help with the commission of crimes?

Are those things allowed under 326?

Again if they can have alternative perhaps ALL
amateurs should move off the radio spectrum and uses the
alternative....the Internet.

For certain subjects, that's the right medium.

Death of Amateur Radio? Perhaps you have a bigger part than you
realize........

Interesting!

In fact, we're starting to see what may be the "death of the

internet"

- or at least the death of its potential. Viruses, popups, identity
theft and other shenanigans are causing many people I know to

become

disenchanted with it.

I really dout the internet will die.

Me too. But I see its potential dying.

As a matter of fact Internet 2 is now
out (well right now only some Universities (206 to be exact) and
government agencies have it...it will probably be commercialized in about two to
three years.). Internet 2 will have a lot more applications and downloading
will be faster. (people will be able to download a full length movie
within minutes instead of days) so I really dout the Internet will die
anytime soon.

If "internet 2" catches on, it will replace the original.

If you want different content than what is found on current amateur
packet,
why not provide it yourself? Not in competition with the forsale folks,
but
on a different frequency or even band. With much higher speed and more
features?

I would second that, Jim. Todd, I'll go on record noting that you could
be at the vanguard of something that could serve more hams than your
proposed bulletins and eventually be a great part of the service.

- Mike KB3EIA -