"Brian Oakley" wrote in message
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"Brian Oakley" wrote in message

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The Koran cant work wonders as it teaches its followers
to kill all infidels.

Of course, you can find -millions- of Muslims that say that it doesn't.

Well regardless of what they say, thats what it says. Ive read it.

I find that highly unlikey. It's rare enough to encounter a Christian that's
read the Bible cover to cover, much less one that's gone on to peruse other
holy books. That's a good way to let a demon in. No, I'm guessing that
you've read -portions- of the book. And as someone else has pointed out,
they were taken out of context. Besides, just like the Bible I imagine you
can twist the Koran around to make it mean whatever one desires.

And
of course, Christians have been killing infidels since Day ****ing One.

You dont know your history. Christians have NOT killed unbelievers. The
political leaders of the Church may have, but just because someone is a
leader doesnt mean they know Christ.

You know, for a guy who prides himself on his deabting skills and his
ability to argue for the faith, you sure walk into a bunch of left hooks. If
you're really interesting in learning something, look up the no true
Scotsman fallacy. It not only applies here, IIRC it was made to describe
this situation. And of course, guys that snipe abortion doctors aren't
Christians either, I suppose. Or do you want to change your statement to say
that Christians have never -murdered- nonbelievers? Since of course killing
an abortion doctor and or their staff isn't murder. And who doesn't know
their history?


And
saying that the Koran can't work wonders is extraordinarily ignorant.

Only wonders it works is to lead people astray and cause them to hate
those
who are not muslim.

IIRC
it's the fastest growing religion in if not the US then the world.

Sure it is! Its an easy religion for a sinner to follow! You can hate
anyone
thats not of your thinking!

First of all, there's no shortage of Christians who hate people that aren't
of their thinking. I'll bet you're one of them, and I'll bet I'm the target
of some of that off-line derision and ire. Do you love me, as Jesus said you
should? Not bloody likely. (Don't worry; I'm not losing sleep.) Besides,
there are Christians that claim that's not what Jesus commanded. (Oh, wait.
They're not True Christians, are they? See how it works?) Secondly, it's
seems kind of silly that someone who wants free reign to sin would join up
with any religion at all. You're twisting things around. It's the common
misconception of atheism that you're describing, not other religions.


Are these
people converting because they're craven evil *******s that want to fill
their lives with sin?

See above.

No, -you- see above.

Or is it more likely that they're experienceing the
change that you think only comes with Christianity? You know...the one
that
you're so smugly dismissing?

Love is not part of Islam. Not even love for their own family. If a family
member converts to Christianity, they are in absolute danger of being
killed
by their own family members.

That sounds downright Biblical to me. I wonder why? I don't know, the words
"Old Testament" keep popping up in my mind.

As for language, simple means simple, doesn't mean it
translates exactly the way you want it to in whatever language you
choose.

The point is that God could have either selected a better language or
made
Hebrew more suitable for his purpose.

God selected the Hebrew people. If you read the Bible it tells you why. As
for their language, I dont believe they had any problems with it.

I know why. What's more, I'm betting I know the -real- story behind it all,
bearing in mind that I don't believe in Jehovah. As for their language, no,
I don't imagine they had too many problems with it either. It's later
generations that are having the difficulties.

As for the "almah" "debate", the writers of the Septuagint clearly
understood the meaning of the Hebrew and translated it with the Greek
word
for "virgin". That argument is pretty much closed.

Wrong. Do some research. I would advise asking Jews what the words mean.
It's their language, after all. But you might not like the answer.

The Jews that wrote the Septuigint knew what it meant. And they were
closer
in time to the actually hebrew manuscripts they used to write it. THEY
would
be the authority of what it means. Not some Jew off the street today. The
average Jew here doesnt even speak Hebrew as fluently as they speak
english.
They dont know ancient Hebrew.

That would be a miscommunication of my part. I didn't mean a Jew off of the
street; I guessed wrong when I figured you knew what I meant. And I'm
betting you still haven't checked out what "the other side" has to say about
this particular issue.


As for "subsets" of
Christianity, more properly called denominations, that has nothing to
do
with disobeying the Bible at all. It has to do with interpretation.

Which wouldn't be an issue if God had "either selected a better language
or
made Hebrew more suitable for his purpose." I don't need your
help...really.

Have you ever thought about maybe God WANTING there to be different
denominations? I guess not.

Sure I have. Have -you- considered that if god wasn't real and that the
bible was written by men, then we would have the religious fracturing that
we do?

Different verses can be understood in different ways. Sometimes our
lack
of
ability to clearly translate an ancient language into our own lends
itself
to such differences of interpretation. The prayer of Jabez comes to
mind.

See above.

For you to dismiss the Bible as a mere book just indicates that you
don't
realize how it has changed peoples lives.

You don't know me or my background. Do a little research before you make
an
ass of yourself.

Ad Hominem again. Did you get a good grade in debate school? Oh NO, thats
right, you didnt go!

How do you know? And if that was ad hominem on my part, so was your crack
about me not attending debate school. Hypocrite.

If everyone lived by the teachings
of Jesus, there would be no hate, no selfishness, no lust, no murder,
no
theft. You cant say that about any other "holy" book.

In other words, no sin. Therefore, it's -impossible- to live as you
describe. God says so.

That is in contrast with other books. Again you are missing the point or
trying to twist the point. Stay on topic. I know how ADD can be though.

Personal experience? You have my sympathy. You also have my scorn for
criticizing what you view as ad hominem on my part, and then doing it
yourself. As far as your statement, it doesn't parse. If every one live by
Buddhist teachings, there'd be no hate, no selfishness, no lust, no murder,
no theft. If you had a point, you didn't make it well. Christians don't have
the corner on the morality market. The sanctimony market, perhaps. In this
country, certainly.

You just go on telling yourself that you've got the One True Faith.
Nothing
I can say is going to change your mind. Do you -really- believe that no
other religion teaches morality comparable to yours? Don't answer; I
already
know what you're going to say. By the way...ever read up on Bhuddists?

Buddha is dead. In the grave. He was a mere man. With lots of faults.

"Again you are missing the point or trying to twist the point." Sound
familiar? The point was, as I said above, you don't have the market on
morality. I'd follow a dead mortal with his admitted faults long before I'd
follow someone who made the supernatural claims that Jesus did. And I hate
to break this to you, but Jesus is dead too.