Hi, Yuri:
Forgot to say that the soil surface is uneven enough that even hairpinning
the radials down wasn't as good as waiting until they were sufficiently
buried by grass cuttings so as not to be snagged by blades.

On the flags and pennants, I've read the stuff on various websites. The
stumbling-block for me is that nobody around here (Cincinnati) has any
experience, good or bad, or they ain't talkin', and I gather that these
devices are really site-sensitive wrt soil conductivity.

Any insights?

TIA & kind regards,
Dave, N3HE
"Yuri Blanarovich" wrote in message
...

Man!!!! are verticals ever susceptible to all the neighborhood noise I
simply don't hear on my dipoles in trees! Oh, well, xmit on the
verticals
and receive on the horizontals. Or what?

Verticals are low angle beasts and "look" low and "see" all the man made
wundernoise. Horinontals look up the sky, where not much man mades.
If you need to listen on low bands for DX, the best thing is to use Flag
or
Pennat RX antennas, they give some directivity and discrimination against
noise
SNIP