Mr. Obvious wrote:
We're still talking about peer-to-peer software, right?

Which leads to my next question: Where in the Amateur Packet Radio
service is there a need to transfer files in such a manner?
Peer-to-peer software was created to facilitate the transfer of
FILES.
The current iterations of most popular BBS software, on the other
hand,
can transfer such things as text bulletins, sale ads and so forth
just
fine.


Well, like i said, MSYS and FBB are good programs but they are old and
there is software out there that is more "user friendly" amateur only
have to change the coding in them to work for ham radio. I'm not
suggestion that this be the "National" or "International" standard I'm
only suggesting this as an "alternative" to what is being used now.


"...There is a lot of P2P software that is out there that is "Open
Source"
Software, meaning you can downloaded a uncompiled version and program
it the way you want. So you can create filters so certain files can't
go through the system like MPEGS, and AVI files (movie files) or MP3
(Music files) I would suggest if you intrested in it to get some
books
on P2P..."

(I just -might- know a little more than you think I do about this
subject...but that's another discussion for another thread; another
time.)

Back to my original thought: How does the introduction of the
Internet
into a ham-to-ham virtual circuit benefit -RADIO- in any way, shape
or
form?
Look at Echolink, people still use HF but there's also echolink, as a
alternative. We uses to have a guy on my repeater from California who
would connect to my repeater through echolink, Because the nursing home
he was staying in wouldn't let him put up any antenna, thus that was an
alternative means to use amateur radio. This system would "benefit"
radio as and alternative to the normal 1200 baud packet.

I take it that you have never run a packet BBS, correct?

I've ran both MSYS and FBB for four years on two computers. I was big
in packet from 1992 to 1997/1998


Are you familiar with the file-splitting and transmission
capabilities
of various existing user-mode software? Joe wants to share a new
program with Ralph, so he splits it and uploads it to the local
packet
BBS, where Ralph downloads it. Acceptable thus far, right? It isn't
when the program in question is copyrighted; we'll forego the file
size
limitations of the current RADIO-based network for purposes of this
discussion. Tracking these uploads are a headache that most SysOps
will
gladly do without, especially if that content will land you in legal
hot water.

Well the reason I brought up the file size deal is; for BIG files even
on the internet through P2P takes a long time even with high speed DSL
it still takes a while. on this system we really don't want people
tighen yp the frequency because he's trying to download a 700 MB file
(like a Movie) The filter system which would block these "large" would
be in the software and would be unchangable.

Further, a number of PBBS SysOps incorporated I-net-based forwarding
of
traffic years back. A vast amount of non-ham-related 3rd-party
traffic
began to filter into the packet network as a result; along the
circuits
were several countries whose 3rd-party traffic laws were different
than
those of the U.S. Many nights were spent writing filters to keep the
U.S.-based systems in compliance...and a system such as you propose
would be subject to the same set of dynamics, if it was indeed
multinational.

That's were hams would have to be the network both on the radio, and on
the internet from scratch. again the only ones allowed to use the
software and the network would be the amateur radio operators. I'm only
one amateur, but I believe that an amateur radio station is responsible
for their what content they spew out and if they violate any laws it
will be easy to track down because they will be using their callsign. I
would also like to point out that federal law does not ban this type of
programs on the radio; amateurs are allowed to experiment and no
offense but it seems to me that you wan to keep the old system and
don't want any new ideas or programs which would conflict with the
status quo...or maybe i'm reading you wrong. but just remember that no
system is fail proof.


"....Like I stated above the only way you could log into this system
would
be over radio. The Super nodes which are on the internet are
encrypted
and the internet side is mainly a "user Backbone system" so users can
connect via 2 meter---over the internet-----to another user on the
radio..."

What will all this effort net us? You're still limited by the
capabilites of the end-users. I don't care if your I-net circuit
consists of gigabit fiberlink; if Joe and Ralph are running 1200bps
modems at their end, you're going to realize data transfer rates of
no
faster than 1200bps.

it would be 1200 baud on 2 meters but amateurs still have I believe 2.4
GHz and some of that wireless stuff will go as high as 10Mbps which
would be better because it would remove the bottleneck.

The current system, as is designed and implemented, works fine. Write
a
host mode program with a nice, pretty front end and you might sell it
to people. Incorporating P2P technology into said program is - as
I've
stated before - a solution to a problem which simply doesn't exist.

well, like i said it seems to me your like these guy on here....you
don't want change....and like I stated in a previous thread without
change ham radio will not grow.


Todd N9OGL