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From: on Thurs,Apr 14 2005 3:42 am
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From: on Wed,Apr 13 2005 4:28 am
Granted, you didn't see any "morse code modes" in use at
ADA. But to say there was none used at all, anywhere in the
US military is a different thing.
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Changing the subject.
Where?
Long-distance point-to-point communications bore
the brunt of ALL military branchs' message traffic
to an amount of GREATER than a million messages a
month.
How do you know, Len?
Were you in the Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard too?
And even if true - so what?
What's interesting is that you have to qualify the statement
as "long-distance point-to-point communications" - because
Morse Code was then still being used *extensively* by the US
Navy, by the maritime radio services, by aircraft and by many
other radio services such as press services.
"Extensively?!?" HOW DO YOU KNOW? :-)
Same way you know about most things. Others told me, I read source
material, etc.
Sweetums, I WAS PART OF IT. :-)
Part. But not all. Your personal experience was just a small part of
the big picture.
Army station ADA, as
assigned to Far East Command Headquarters, carried not
only Army traffic, but some USN traffic, some USAF
traffic, some Press Services, even some Red Cross
message traffic. ALL on TTY.
*Some* of that traffic. Not all of it. So you can't really
speak for what was done through other channels other than by
what you've read and been told - same as me.
Not a bit of morse
code. And ADA was just the third largest station in
ACAN (Army Commmand and Administrative Network). That
"little" station (36 transmitters, all over 1 KW and
on 24/7) relayed 220 thousand messages a month (1955).
WAR (Washington Army Radio) handled over a million a
month then.
But you weren't at those places, were you?
Sweetums, that "extensively" is just your wishful
thinking. Of course there was SOME morse being used
by all branches in 1953.
That's all I'm saying.
But, HOW MUCH?
A lot. Enough that all branches were training radio operators to use
the mode.
YOU DON'T
KNOW!
You don't know, either, Len. You weren't there, were Morse was being
used.
YOU WERE NEVER IN.
So what? You were never a radio amateur, but you claim to know
all about what hams do and what amateur radio is all about.
YOU NEVER DID IT FOR THE MILITARY.
You mean operate Morse Code? Neither did you!
Your tunnel vision of "long-distance point-to-point
communications" by
the US military is about as relevant as the
fact that Morse Code wasn't in use on the AM broadcast band in
the 1930s.
Tsk. A reducto ad absurdum. You must be getting
rattled, sweetums.
Reductio ad absurdum is a valid argument tool. I'm not rattled at all,
Len. You're the one shouting and carrying on in a very immature way. So
typical, so predictable.
You are too young to have listened to Walter Winchell's
"news broadcasts" on radio. He "used morse code" at
every opening...apparently for some weird "authenticity"
since ol' Walt was getting on towards Alzheimers at the
time.
I've heard the recordings. What he used was just a prop.
And it was on fixed, predetermined frequencies, using equipment
most individuals could not afford to buy.
Tsk, that's called PROFESSIONAL COMMUNICATIONS, sweetums.
When one is IN the Cold War and trying NOT to let it
develop into a nuclear confrontation, one uses absolutely
the BEST stuff to "get the message through."
You didn't have to pay for it yourself, though.
I'm sure the Canadian military did the same within their
budget constraints.
You want the U.S. military to act like amateurs? :-)
No. But you seem to want amateurs to act like the US military.
Some of us think that POLICY of the U.S. government
is "done by amateurs" but that's a whole other story.
OK, Len. Who did you vote for in the US presidential elections
of 2000 and 2004? You've spoken of President Bush's "coronation
day" - so I think you voted for one of the other guys.
And it was *not* the kind of communications that make up the
vast
majority of amateur radio communications.
Don't misdirect, sweetums.
Not a misdirection, Len. A simple fact.
At some point, anyway. The US Navy was still using Morse Code
long
after the beginning of the 1950s.
HOW DO YOU KNOW?
Same way you do, Len. From others.
YOU DIDN'T SERVE.
You were never in the Navy.
So was the Coast Guard.
HOW DO YOU KNOW?
Same way you do, Len. From others.
YOU DIDN'T SERVE.
You were never in the Coast Guard. But you have made fun of the Coast
Guard service of a CG radio operator.
That SHOULD have some meaning to rational
persons insofar as the efficacy of morse code for
communications...
There you go, Len, assuming your conclusion.
What you're saying is that because the Army didn't use it,
nobody should use it.
For the VAST MAJORITY of message traffic in the U.S.
military - ALL BRANCHES - morse code mode was NOT
used "extensively."
How do you know? You didn't serve in those other branches. You weren't
there.
What the heck, Jimmie Noserve, you weren't IN any
military, not even in Canada. Why are you all upset?
I'm not upset, Len. You're the one shouting and carrying on like a
jackass all over the place, over the mention of the use of Morse code.
Here's a hint: Ham radio isn't the US Army. When Uncle Sam
is willing to buy radios for all hams, then maybe you'll
have a point.
OH! OH! ERROR! MISTAKE!
Yes, you do make plenty of those.
First of all, your buddie and pal, Stevie he say
that "MARS IS amateur radio!" Tsk. MARS' first
letter in that acronym means MILITARY.
Len - I'm not Steve.
Secondly, check with a REAL MARS civilian volunteer.
You will find out that the military GIVES them radio
goodies. No need to "buy." Military already bought
the stuff and used it.
So *some* hams get the castoffs from the military. Not *all* hams, and
not complete stations.
Be NICE to MARS folks,
Jimmie, maybe they'll GIVE you an AN/FRC-93 for
nothing; it's a Collins KWM2 Commercial transceiver
with a military nameplate.
Don't want one. And it's a KWM-2A, with the extra crystal positions.
too prone to human errors by its operators,
All communications modes are prone to operator error. The
person typing on a teleprinter can make a mistake, too.
HOW DO YOU KNOW?
Been there, done that.
Don't see any TTY in that picture of
YOUR ham shack! :-)
I've done RTTY, Len. At an amateur radio station.
Nope. You just don't like the mode.
Sweetums, I just don't LIKE the TEST for it. :-)
No, you just don't like the mode. Your behavior proves it.