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April 17th 05, 07:04 PM

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From: on Sat,Apr 16 2005 8:44 am

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From: Dave Heil on Apr 12, 9:31 pm

No, Len, that's not true. FCC is involved - but you're not FCC.

James P. Miccolis is NOT FCC. :-)

Never claimed to be, Len.

Amateur radio manufacturers are involved - but you're not one
of them, either.

James P. Miccolis is NOT a "manufacturer of radios."

Actually I'm an "amateur radio manufacturer" - you're not.

You're not involved.

OH! "Not involved!!!"

That's right. You're not involved in amateur radio - other than some
newsgroup rantings and spamming FCC's ECFS.

The U.S. Government gives me the RIGHT to vote, on
anything up for a vote!

Same as me. But Part 97 isn't up for a vote.

I am NOT "involved in government" yet I can vote on
government officials! [really!]

Me too.

Who did you vote for in the presidential elections of 2000 and 2004,
Len?

Or don't you "have the guts" to "give the details"?

I am NOT "involved" in any of the proposals to be
voted on yet I can VOTE on them!

No, you can't, Len. You can comment on them but that's not the same
thing as voting.

Wow! I'm "not involved" in so many things!!!!

That's right, Len. You're not involved in amateur radio beyond your
rantings here and to FCC.

BULL****, sweetums.

That pretty much describes your involvement, Len.

The FCC determines who gets a
radio license

That's what I've said all along, Len.

and sets the standards.

The standards to get a license, that is.

The ARRL does NOT.

Len Anderson does NOT, either.

Jimmie Noserve does NOT.

Len Anderson does NOT, either.

Davie Heil does NOT.

Len Anderson does NOT, either.

The "ham community" does NOT.

Len Anderson does NOT, either. He's not even part of the amateur radio
community.

It's the FCC, sweetie.

And nobody else. Not even you.

[and that's the absolute truth...pbthththt]

Whoever said differently, Len?

The "F" in FCC stands for "Federal." That means that
ANYONE can make themselves and their opinions known to
them (see the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution).

Of course. Not the same thing as voting, though.

The FCC does NOT limit itself to amateur regulation
input SOLELY from amateurs. It isn't an exclusive
clubhouse...even though you try to convey that idea.

I've never said anything different, Len. Why the lecture? You can
comment all you want. That doesn't make you "involved in amateur radio"
to any significant extent.

Who? Not you, of course. You're not involved.

What? Paradoxical. According to that, one can't
get INTO amateur radio WITHOUT being "involved,"
BUT...to BE "involved" one has to ALREADY be IN
amateur radio.

No, that's not it at all. You're not involved beyond your rantings here
and spamming of ECFS.

Tsk. If you don't like paradoxes, all you are doing
is trying to make it all into a private clubhouse.

Not at all. You could be involved, but you choose not to be. That's
fine, to each his own. Amateur radio doesn't need you, Len Anderson.

Sorry, the Communications Act of 1934 took that away
when the FCC was created to regulate ALL civil radio
in the USA. ALL, Jimmie.

So what? Nobody denies that FCC makes the rules. That fact does not
mean *you* are somehow *involved in amateur radio* beyond a newsgroup
or two and voluminous nonsense sent to FCC.

Len knows more about radio operation.

Tsk. I know HOW they work and the protocols needed
in some radio services.

But not amateur radio. Not Morse Code. Your knowledge is all
theory, no
practice, when it comes to amateur radio. Sidewalk
superintendent
stuff. All hat and no cattle, all talk and no action.

Okay, so you DON'T think that amateur radio works by
the same principles of physics as all other radio
services.

No, that's not true at all.

Electrons, fields, and waves all work in
in an "amateur fashion" if you have an AMATEUR radio
license!

Nope.

An AMATEUR radio "won't work" unless it has
a valid, certificated amateur radio operator operating
it? Wow. Learn something every day.

That's simply your way of avoiding the real issue, Len. The fact is,
you're not knowledgeable about amateur radio "protocols" nor Morse Code
nor are you experienced in amateur radio.

Well, no sweat. Someone who doesn't KNOW the "ham way"
should be FIRED, right? Give up their ham job? Be
prosecuted if they don't behave according to YOUR set
of regulations?

You're still not involved and not qualified.

Sweetie, I've designed and built those "sidewalks,"
and the "buildings" they are in front of, done the
"civil engineering" testing on those "buildings" to
make sure they are in-spec.

Not on the street called "amateur radio", Len.

You did some articles for a now-long-defunct New England-based
ham
radio magazine 22+ years ago. None of them were about building or
operating an amateur radio station.

Poor baby. Still sulking about NOT getting published
in anything but "Electric Radio?" :-)

Not me. I've been published elsewhere. So what? You're not involved. I
am.

Who did you vote for in the presidential elections of 2000 and
2004, Len?

Where there RADIO issues proposed by the candidates
then? I watched the debates on TV rather than listening
to the radio. Fill me in.

HOW is such information REQUIRED to discuss amateur radio
regulations and how to get INTO amateur radio by licensing?

It's a demonstration of your own concept, Len.

You wrote about having the guts to give details. And about voting.
Don't you have the guts to tell us who you voted for? I guess not.

WHO did you VOTE for in Canada on their last election?

I'm not allowed to vote in Canada - I'm not a Canadian citizen.

Are you an American citizen, Len?

Are you "afraid" to say? :-)

Not at all. I didn't vote in the last Canadian election because I'm not
a Canadian citizen. In fact, I've never been to Canada.

The U.S. military did NOT use morse code in long-distance
fixed-point to fixed-point communications a half century
ago and still don't.

Even if that's true - what does it matter to amateur radio
policy?

Sorry, Jimmie, under YOUR "rules," if I SAID it, then
it must be true! :-)

Why not just answer the question, Len?

What does it matter to amateur radio policy whether the U.S. military
did or did NOT use morse code in long-distance fixed-point to
fixed-point communications a half century ago and still don't?

Actually, it IS true, but YOU are AFRAID to find out.
The fantasy that the rest of the radio world "still
uses morse code" is way too strong a mental narcotic
for you. You can't go cold turkey.

Not at all, Len. The question remains: What does it matter to amateur
radio policy whether the U.S. military did or did NOT use morse code in
long-distance fixed-point to fixed-point communications a half century
ago and still don't?

Amateur radio isn't the US military.

MARS is military. "Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur
radio!" :-)

Amateur radio is NOT Private Land Mobile Radio Service.

Amateur radio is NOT Mass Media Radio Service.

Amateur radio is NOT Maritime Radio Service.

Amateur radio is NOT Aviation Radio Service.

Amateur radio is NOT Personal Radio Service.

Etc.

Then you've just proved my point, Len. Since amateur radio isn't any of
those, what those services do isn't what should determine what hams do,
nor what the license requirements for an amateur license should be.

Tsk. Some of you olde-tyme hammes
need to get your noses out of old WW2 surplus radio books
and inspect the rest of the radio world.

Is that an order?

Are you afraid to take orders?

Not at all - from duly authorized people. You're not in charge, Len -
you're not even involved.

Is that why you never
volunteered for military service? :-)

How do you know I never volunteered?

Why should what other radio services do be more important to
amateur radio policy than what hams do?

Why should amateur radio policy be dictated SOLELY by
already-licensed radio amateurs?

Nobody says that. Also, you cannot answer a question with another
question.

You're avoiding the important question: Why should what other radio
services do be more important to amateur radio policy than what hams
do?

Try answering that one. Or are you afraid?

That's in direct
VIOLATION of both the 1st Amendment and the Communications
Act of 1934.

Nobody says that only hams should make the rules.

I see. Well, Len, you have the thinnest skin of all those here,
because
you get insulted by *any* opposition..

What "opposition?" :-)

Any opposition.

There's Jimmie Noserve who likes to make out that he
KNOWS ALL about the military...but never served.

Gee, Len, you gave us a lecture here about US Navy communications and
encryption recently. But *you* never served in the US Navy - and there
were several mistakes in your little lecture.

There's a psycho-sick whacko inventing "fitreps" about
me that never happened...

Here's a clue, Len: I'm not him.

There's a few more and have been lots more. Not a
problem. Lots of you knowitalls and control freaks on
the Internet who "get off" on being "superior" on their
screens. Tsk. Been that way since computer-modem
communications got going over three decades ago. :-)

That pretty much sums up what *you* do here, Len. That's what *you* are
involved in...

Who did you vote for in the presidential elections of 2000 and
2004,Len?

Maybe I've forgotten! :-)

I don't think so. More likely, you "don't have the guts" to say so in
public. But I think I know who you voted for.

What Prime Minister candidate did you vote for in
Canada, Jimmie?

None - I'm not allowed to vote in Canada. Are you, Len? Are you an
American citizen?

What military did you serve in up in Canada, Jimmie?

I've never been to Canada, Len.