From: Paul W. Schleck on Mon,Apr 18 2005 12:03 pm

In . com
writes:

wrote:
From: on Apr 12, 8:00 pm
wrote:
From: N2EY on Apr 12, 4:20 pm

*snip!*

Yet you make this BIG THING about morse code
in a window display...

Is it wrong to mention an interesting architectural feature?

Morse code is NOW an "interesting architectural feature?"

The windows are an interesting architectural feature.


Way back in Usenet history(early 90's), there were posts signed by an
author named "Serdar Argic" who repetitively posted about the Armenian
murders of Turks in 1918:

http://www.jaedworks.com/shoebox/zumabot.html

(Reputable historians agree that the killing was the other way
around.)

Some interesting similarities to Len:

1. My ancestry is Scandinavian, not of the Middle East.

2. I have NO disputes on either Armenia or Turkey.

3. I have no "home page" on the Internet, nor am I a
registered domain user on same.

4. Why do you insist there are "similarities" to
anything in or near the Middle East? I have
NEVER used a screen name of "Serdar Argic."

- Serdar responded to each and every mention of "Turkey" or "Armenia,"
no matter the context, with long harangues about his interpretation
of
history.

- Len responds to each and every mention of "Morse Code," no matter
the
context, with long harangues about his interpretation of history.

Explain my "interpretation." As one who was IN
communications for a long time, IN the electronics
industry for a long time, HAVE extensive backup
literature on communications methods, I'm not
"interpreting" anything.

- Any attempt to engage Serdar in debate resulted in him insulting
others with invectives like "Gum Brain," "Wieneramus," "your
Criminal Armenian Grandparents" (even others who were, say, ethnic
Japanese), and "A mouthpiece for the fascist x-Soviet Armenian
Government."

- Any attempt to engage Len in debate results in him insulting others
with invectives like "Gunnery Nurse," "Katapult King," "Macho
Morsemen," and "A believer in the Church of St. Hiram."

AFTER I had been personally insulted a number of ways,
i.e., called a "PUTZ," "LIAR," "deceitful," AND had
members of my family (alive or dead), especially my
wife, insulted in public...I decided to "return fire"
in the same way. Civility in opposition to anything
I wrote was not "discussion" but a series of personal
insults and harrassment actions, both on and off the
newsgroup.

- While somewhat amusing at first, with posters able to easily rebut
Serdar, even writing parodies mocking the overwrought style of the
posts, the amusement turned to annoyance when the sheer volume of
his
posts overwhelmed any on-topic discussion.

- While somewhat amusing at first, with posters able to easily rebut
Len, even writing parodies mocking the overwrought style of the
posts,
the amusement turned to annoyance when the sheer volume of his posts
overwhelmed any on-topic discussion.

"Overwrought?" :-) Merely responses in kind.

"Sheer volume of posts?" Have you examined the Google
statistics for individual messagers or actually
EXAMINED the CONTENT of the newsgroup postings?

Apparently NOT. Or, the "authority" is rather biased.

In the past, I've given what was thought to be some
examples of communications modes and methods that I
was a party to, knew about, or could double-check
through disinterested third parties. What I got in
response was the usual personal insults for NOT
adhering to the "authority" on amateur radio as
stated by the ARRL...or NOT adhering to the pet
desires of individuals whose personal views were
taken as "applying to ALL in amateur radio." [those
did not, but that was irrelevant to such posters]

- Serdar failed his Turing Test for human intelligence when it became
clear that he could not distinguish between Turkey, the country, and
Turkey, the meat. For example, his postings went up dramatically in
the first two weeks preceding American Thanksgiving, strongly
suggesting that the posts were written and posted by some kind of AI
or "bot."

- Len's sentience, and ability to pass the Turing Test, is left as an
exercise for the reader. As a first test, Len is invited to guess
my
positions on Morse Code.

WHAT "Turing Tests" apply in here? Are you implying
(which is transparently obvious on reading) that I am
some kind of "Artificial Intelligence?" Is everyone
required to "pass a test" to perform as a robot and
mechanically utter all the quaint "standards" of
yesteryear? Are all robots in here "supposed" to
obey - without question - what the ARRL commands?

Alan Turing was considered a genius at cryptography
and methods of attack (solutions to cryptographic
problems). Alan Turing was also a homosexual and,
when exposed, took his own life. That was long ago.

Suddenly, for some odd reason, I am implied as
"failing" a "Turing Test" by NOT ACCEPTING old,
antiquated standards in an amateur radio hobby
activity!?! So be it. I am NOT a robot. I am
NOT artificial (all natural ingredients).

If there is any "failing" of a "Turing Test," then
I would judge the "authority of the newsgroup" to
be deficient in handling a public dispute by a
technique of mockery and attempts at humiliation.
As one who has been IN computer-modem communication
for 20 years - not counting sporadic viewing of the
old ARPANET and original USENET before that - and
as a former co-sysop of one BBS and a moderator on
two other BBSs...I find this "technique" of handling
certain individuals to be faulty in the extreme.

You should give careful thought, using whatever
intelligence is there, artificial or not, to closing
access from public to private. Select ONLY those
who conform to Group Think, who say nice-nice to all
the self-defined gurus, and respect the ENTIRETY of
U.S. amateur radio customs and traditions, wishing
to keep OLD standards forever. CLOSE this place off.
Do NOT let any "riff-raff" in. Demand "dedication"
and "committment" to old standards, ideas, and
(especially) the mythology. Demand "involvement"
FIRST...by licensing, something by which "to show
papers." Do NOT, under any circumstances, allow
the First Amendment Rights of Americans to operate
in here. Think of that as the "Orwell Test." It
doesn't have the mythological mystique of "Turing
Test" but it is nonetheless as artificial.

I refuse to meet any "Orwell Test." Have a nice
day, Mr. Asimov...