| 
				  
 
			
			Slick:
 [snip]
 If you believe that there are theoretically no
 reflections in a conjugate match, then with
 
 Zl=50+j10  and Zo=50-j10,
 
 the conjugate equation correctly cancels the reactances
 giving no reflections, while the non-conjugate still
 incorrectly gives a magitude (non zero) for rho.
 
 Slick
 [snip]
 
 Oh yes here are voltage reflections at a conjugate match!
 
 Simply put as waves pass across the transition from an impedance
 of Zo to an impedance of conj(Zo) they are crossing a boundary
 with an impedance discontinuity.  Zo on one side and conj(Zo)
 on the other side is definitely discontinuous!  Unless of course,
 Zo = conj(Zo) which occurs only when Zo is real.
 
 There will always reflections at such an impedance
 discontinuity where an impedance faces its' conjugate.
 
 If an impedance Zo faces itself Zo there will be no "voltage
 reflections", this phenomena was called an "image match" by
 Campbell and Zobel way back around 1920 or so, it represents
 the basis for the image match design of filters and transmission
 systems.  Do any reader's here recall image parameter filter
 design?  I designed more than a few that way myself.
 
 If an impedance Zo faces its' conjugate conj(Zo) then there will be
 no "power reflections", but there will in general be voltage reflections,
 and this is called a "conjugate match" and represents the basis
 for "insertion loss" design of filters and transmission systems.
 Darlington and Cauer introduced the insertion loss design
 of filters which eventually supplanted the older Campbell,
 Zobel image parameter design.
 
 The "classical definition of voltage reflection coefficient from
 theoretical physics and the solutions to the wave equations is
 the one that does not use the conjugate.   This classical
 definition corresponds to the calculations made by a reflectometer
 configured to measure the reflected voltage at the boundary
 between Z and Zo such that if Z=Zo the reflected voltage
 (often called the "talker echo") will be zero.  This will not
 correspond to maximum power transfer in the general case.
 
 i.e. "classical" rho = (Z - Zo)/(Z + Zo) is not zero at a conjugate match.
 
 I also believe that this is "Mother Nature's" reflection coefficient
 for it is exactly what she uses as she lets the waves propagate
 down her lines of surge impedance Zo following her partial differential
 equations at every point along the way.  At every infinitesimal
 length of line all along it's length the waves are passing from a
 infinitesimal region of surge impedance Zo to the next infinitesimal
 region of surge impedance Zo and there are no voltage reflections
 anywhere along that [uniform] line, although if the line is not lossless
 there will be energy lost as the wave progresses.
 
 Slick... On another whole level it simply does not matter which defiinition
 of the reflection coefficient one uses to make design calculations though,
 as
 long as the definition is used consistently throughout any calculations.
 
 One can convert any results based on the non-conjugate version of rho to
 results based on the conjugate version of rho and vice versa.
 
 In other words, neither version is "RIGHT" or "WRONG" as long
 as the results from using that particular definition are interperted
 correctly in terms of the original definition.
 
 In fact one can cook up an [almost] completely ficticious reference
 impedance, one which has no relation whatsoever to the Zo of the line.
 
 Just call the ficticious, perhaps complex reference impedance R
 [I like to use R since in my mind it stands for "Reference", and it need
 not be a pure resistance.] and use this R in a defintition of rho and/or a
 Scattering Matrix and then any and all subsequent calculations afterwords
 will be correct as long as this ficticious R is used consistently with the
 definitions in terms of the electrical port vectors the voltage v, current i
 and
 wave vector comprising the "waves" a and b.
 
 rho = (Z - R)/(Z + R) = b/a = (v - Ri)/(v + Ri)
 
 This is true simply because the "waves" a and b are mathematically
 just simple linear combinations of the voltage v and current i!  Look
 at how simple the relationship is...
 
 [a, b] and [i, v] are simply related by a simple transformation
 matrix as follows:
 
 a = v + Ri
 b = v - Ri
 
 or
 
 wave vector = matrix * electrical vector
 
 And the matrix, in this case is:
 
 | 1  R |
 | 1 -R|
 
 As long as you choose a reference impedance R such that the transformation
 matrix is non-singular then you can go back and forth from a, and b to
 v and i any time, any where, etc...
 
 So... who gives a damm about the defintion of rho as long as you are
 consistent.
 
 Unless of course, like Roy and others, you insist that the "waves"
 correspond to
 some preconceived notion of what waves really are...  ;-)
 
 Thoughts, comments,
 --
 Peter K1PO
 Indialantic By-the-Sea, FL
 
 
 
 |