Dave:
I actually agree with much of what you are about--and you have demonstrated
a high understanding and ability to use logic effectively...
I diverge from your thought on "the radio spectrum"...
I am endowed to full use of the radio spectrum by my creator--however, in
the interest of public good and organization--I am willing to provide my
public servants with a necessary portion of this spectrum so they may carry
out business which is beneficial to the citizens of the United States....
and IS the BUSINESS of THE CITIZENS of the UNITED STATES...
I am also open to them providing a section of this spectrum to specialized
hobbies and for experimentation... however, the majority of it is mine--to
share with my other citizens, since it as much endowed to them by their
creator (whether they recognize him/her or not)... the public needs much
expanded education programs in the use and exercise of their radio
spectrum--that is where gov't should spend their efforts...
control and governing of the citizens flows from the people, to the
congress, and back to the people--it does not flow from an elite of group of
governing citizens to the people...
..... this simply needs to be straightened out...
Warmest regards,
John
--
When Viagra fails to work--you are DOOMED!!!
"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
| On Fri, 6 May 2005 11:19:50 -0400,
(I
| AmnotGeorgeBush) wrote:
|
| The FCC owns the rights to the radio
| spectrum in this country.
|
| That is ludicrous. They do not. They merely are charged with
| administrating such. The spectrum does not stop at the borders.
|
| .No, but while inside the borders, you will pay
| (Sometimes dearly) the FCC for the right to
| play on the airwaves.
|
|
|
| So you have been mistakenly telling us for years, yet, there is no
| damper affecting those of us who play on it regularly for free or a few
| paltry bucks..
|
| Illegally. Just as there are people who trespass on private or
| otherwise posted land, and never get caught either. But it's still
| illegal.
|
|
| Ask any cell phone company
| owner/administrator.
|
|
| Your selection of cell phone admins does not discount the countless
| freebanders, cbers or hammies who play on it for free or on the extreme
| cheap.
|
| Illegally, or on bands where public access is set aside. Much like a
| public park.
|
|
| They are the ones authorized to sell spectrum
| to people with a legitimate need. It's no
| different than government owned land.
|
| Again, it is very different for many reasons, several of which you were
| already taught.
|
| Yes, it is different in some ways, but the ways
| that are similar are what I am talking about. It's
| a fact that the FCC sells off chunks of
| spectrum to commercial interests, sometimes
| for outrageous amounts. If the FCC was not in
| the position to claim "ownership" of that
| spectrum, how could they auction it off?
|
|
|
| By virtue of administration. Auctions are held daily all over the place.
| They do not own what they auction, but like the FCC, are merely charged
| with the administering of such.
|
| Semantics.
|
|
| Your car is yours as is your radio gear. But the
| privilege to operate both is granted by the
| government, and can be revoked for the
| proper cause.
|
| Wrong again. The government has absolutey zero authority how I operate
| my vehicle on my own lan and can not revoke my privilege to do so.
|
| Right! On you own land. But venture out on
| .the public street, and they have all the
| authority. Same goes for radio. If you can
| somehow prevent your signal from escaping
| the borders of your property (Which is covered
| by FCC Part 15), you could do what you want.
|
|
| Know of any test cases pushing the limit on this law?
|
| Pushing which law and in what way?
|
|
| Once those signals escape into the public
| venue, they are under the control of the
| federal government.
|
|
|
| How is such defined? If a church camp own 2500 acres and broadcasts over
| such, and I sit on the public lake adjourning their property and can
| tune in their broadcast..is it now simply approached as a public
| broadcast?
|
| Most of those situations employ carrier current transmitters which
| radiate only a short distance from their "antenna" wires, thereby
| limiting range beyond the intended service area. The biggest uses for
| this technique is on college campuses, travel, and road alert systems.
|
| As you know, RF degrades gradually and it is impossible to "brick
| wall" stop a broadcast at the limits of physical property. But unless
| you are very close, you will likely not hear a carrier current
| transmission.
|
|
| Another way to look at it, You own your car,
| but not the roads you drive on.
|
| Public means owned by the public,,,paid for by tax dollars.
|
| And administered by the government.
|
| You may own your radio, but not the airwaves
| you broadcast on.
|
| Neither does the FCC like you mistakenly believe.
|
| For all practical purposes, yes they do in this
| country.
| You do not have a "right" to transmit beyond
| the confines of your own property.
|
| That is what the cb does.
|
| Yes, but the authorization to operate a CB is a "privilege", not a
| "right".
|
| You are granted a "privilege" to do so by the
| government in the proxy of the FCC.
|
|
| This "privilege" is availabe to anyone, so how can it be referred a
| privilege?
|
| Not true. You have to be a U.S. citizen, and not convicted of other
| FCC rule violations.
|
|
| I know you elitist hammies believe this to be true about your
| ticket, but it simply does not apply to cb, as practically any American
| citizen is granted the "right" to broadcast, via a cb, simply by
| ownership of one. This does not exactly equate to any "privilege".
|
| Instead of arguing with me, try looking into the rules governing each
| service, and find out for yourself. Despite the relative ease by which
| a person may operate a CB radio, it is still not a "right" to do so,
| it is a privilege granted by the FCC, as the service is authorized by
| rule, even if a license is not required.
|
|
| As a
| condition of that privilege comes your
| responsibility to abide by the rules set fort in
| various FCC parts depending on which
| service you are using.
| You may not like it, but that's the way it is.
|
|
|
| Actually, I love the manner in which the FCC enforces radio law right
| now and have said so on many occasion.
|
| Sure. The FCC is not as effective as they should be, and freeload....
| er, freebanders get away with trespassing on other government
| administered frequencies with little chance of getting caught. But
| that doesn't mean that it's legal or proper.
|
|
| They rightly and deservedly go
| after those they deem the most important and damaging to our hobby.
|
| You mean those who project the highest profile, or those who impact
| operators who paid dearly for the right to use their part of the
| spectrum.
|
|
| It
| is yourself that does not like the "way it is" nor agree with it.
|
| Well, that's true. I do wish the FCC had more teeth.
|
| Dave
| "Sandbagger"
| http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj