RadioBanter - View Single Post - Putting ARRL back "mainstream" with hometown hams

May 13th 05, 09:21 PM

From: on Thurs,May 12 2005 3:26 pm

wrote:

But note that the hamdata.com numbers include licenses
that are expired but in the grace period. They also
include club and other non-operator licenses. The numbers I
post here twice a month include only current, unexpired licenses
held by individuals.

So sayeth the Keeper of the Amateur Census. :-)

I think the totals I post are a more accurate snapshot of the
license situation than the numbers on hamdata.com, because the
inclusion of expired-but-in-the-grace-period licenses skews the
totals considerably.

I don't think so. Many others don't think so.

Now PROVE you are the ONLY ACCURATE voice of
what goes on in this "amateur community."

The FCC doesn't appear to think as you do, Jimmie.
If a licensee is in their grace period and then
renews their license before that period is up,
it just resets the FCC data. The licensed amateur
still retains his/her license after renewal.

It should be noted that the peak of U.S. amateur
radio license numbers was on 2 Jul 03 with a total
of 737,938 then (number of club calls not known).
The Hamdata statistics are derived automatically
by downloading the publicly-available FCC database
(massive in size) and sorting for classes.

How massive?

You have to ask?!? :-) MANY megabytes, Jimmie.
The information is THERE, publicly accessible.
As Kellie exhorts, "get off your duff and go find
it!" :-)

Hint: The actual numbers change on database size.

Who claimed that would happen? I sure didn't.

Tsk, tsk. My posting was NOT directed to you. :-)

You are NOT on trial. Tell your legal counsel to
quit billing you for legal representation. This
is NOT a court. :-)

Of course Technician
Pluses who renew as Technicians keep their HF privileges, and
Technicians who pass Element 1 get them, even though their
licenses don't change class.

So an unknown number of "Technicians" can legally operate on some HF
amateur bands. Also, any amateur with a Technician Plus or Novice
license, current, grace period, or expired, can get a General or Extra
without any further code testing.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Jimmie Noserve is still trying to foist
off his OWN concept of "the real amateur community"
where the Technician classes are "not real hams"
(REAL hams work DX on HF with CW?).

Jimmie boy, give us your EXACT numbers on those Tech
class licensees who ONLY "work" above 30 MHz. Then
PROVE that they all hunger for or desire to "work CW"
on the HF bands...as all "real hams" should. :-)

What's your point in all this, Len? You give a lot of numbers but
never
seem to say why they matter.

"Sweetums," I don't INTERPRET raw data. I just quote
it from the public database downloaded by one website
from the FCC.

I HAVE said "why it matters." You don't want to listen.
You don't want to believe anything contrary to your
immaculate concept of "real ham radio."

Why does that bother you so much, Jimmie? Do you suspect
I gored your sacred cow or something? Has your "honor"
been sullied? Are you "appealing a court ruling" in
here? Must be. You take things SO seriously!

And why does all this concern you so much?

I dunno, Jimmie, YOU are going to TELL me WHY "I am so
concerned" because you KNOW everything. :-)

Maybe I might want to get a ham license someday? Or
maybe I just like to get to the TRUTH of matters
without all the smoke and mirrors of some fanatics
who take their HOBBY as a Life Calling?

You're not a radio
amateur, and it appears that you'll never become one either -

Tsk, tsk. Jimmie boy, YOU don't CONTROL anything or
anybody.

I'm a PROFESSIONAL in radio-electronics. Have been for
53 years. I'm a HOBBYIST in radio-electronics too,
have been for about 57 years.

[ sunnuvagun! ]

your "out of the box" claim of almost 5-1/2 years ago notwithstanding.

Poor baby. Poor Brother Jimmie, monk at the Church of
Saint Hiram, having doubts about his LIFE CALLING in
the AMATEUR ORDER. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

A HOBBY is NOT a Life Calling, Jimmie. It doesn't
require LIFELONG DEVOTION and Absolute Adherence to
the VOWS taken when one entered the Order.

I never made a SACRED VOW in HERE on anything,
"Sweetums." You are trying to MANUFACTURE that
condition. Nice misdirection on what HAD been a
discussion of public database numbers versus Bro.
Jimmie's concept of U.S. ham radio (as seen from
the insides of his mind's monastery).

I've taken ONE VOW absolute. In my marriage
ceremony. I wear only ONE ring, a wedding ring.
I've taken ANOTHER VOW absolute...that of defending
the U.S. Constitution when I was inducted into the
U.S. Army. I still hold to BOTH those vows.
NO problem to me. Those are absolute.

You apparently think some newsgroup content is
EQUIVALENT to such an absolute VOW to be held
forever. If so, you are as nuts as your buddy
and amateur extra role-model for all hams, Stebie
the Avenging Angle of Dearth.

Go step out of your monastery, Bro. Jimmie.

Peace be unto you.