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May 13th 05, 04:58 PM

From: (Dave=A0Hall)
On Thu, 12 May 2005 10:34:14 -0400, (I
AmnotGeorgeBush) wrote:
If the FCC chose to do so, freebanders can be

charged criminally. The fact that they have not
chosen to do any more than sporadic

citations, does not diminish the fact that they

could if they chose to.

Whoaaa.....you are invoking what does not take place, only what you
pontificate can take place.
Reality is,,it doesn't take place. End of story.

Police do not usually cite people for

Jaywalking, but they could at any time.

Also reality,,but, stay relevant to reality and not what "may" happen.
Dreaming is nice, but not reality.

The point is that just because a law is not

actively enforced does not mean that it's ok to

break it.

It does in many cases where the law is not enforced. Blue laws are but a
single example,,,an example you felt so valid, you snipped it.

But the point is that nothing will happen if you

are never caught. But the fact that you are not

likely to get caught does not diminish the

illegality

No one ever said it did.

=A0=A0and societal irresponsibility of

engaging in the acts.
=A0
In order for you to claim such a "societal irresponsibility" exists,
there first must exist a "societal responsibility" somehwere other than
your mind regarding such (cb radio)....can you cite it?

Societal responsibility goes far beyond CB

radio. It goes hand in hand with morality,

consideration, and just plain old fashioned

good manners.

Try again.....in regards to cb radio, please cite this non-existent
"societal responsibility" concept that has you confounded.

Not everything in life is codified, especially

morality.

Then you have no right to hold others to your view of what is and isn't
acceptable, despite your claims to the contrary.

If you need a specific guide on how to be a

responsible citizen and a good neighbor, you

can start with Miss Manners and work your

way up from there.

And since you admittedly can not comprehend why one jamming repeater
frequencies canbe present a safety hazard, you should begin your radio
education as relates to hammie radio, anew.

The FCC rules do carry criminal as well as

civil penalties should they choose to apply

them, if the case warrants it.

Please cite these criminal penalties referring the freeband or simple
dx.

Please refer to the communications act of

1934 and related parts.

I went to the source. I see no criminal charges, merely civil charges.
Can you cite this exception of which you speak?

Start with Title IV, section 401 and work your

way from there.

Waffling will not distance yourself from your incorrect claim, David. I
have yet to find a criminal charge for simple dxing. It does not exist.

_
I would hedge zero times have you actually confronted a real criminal or
law breaker in the act and in person.

I certainly would if the opportunity presented

itself.

It presents itself daily to you in the form of speeders,,an act that can
cause physical damage or death when violated, which carry real criminal
pealties, unlike dxing or freebanding. When was the last time you
confronted one and how was it done?

If I were to confront one speeder, I'd have to

confront all of them,

A fallacy.

and I cannot do that.

There is a mitigating difference between "can't" and "won't". Even
so...keeping with your claim,,..how is it you confront all freebanders
and lawbreakers regarding cb and freebanding?

=A0I have, on occasion, prevented speeding by

paralleling someone in the right lane holding

the legal speed limit.

A massive ticket here in Florida, AND in Pa from what I read.

Based on what charge?

Left lane is for passing only. Again you don;t know the laws of your own
state.

A person is under no obligation, and in fact is

prohibited from exceeding the posted speed

limit regardless of which lane you are in.

A perfect
example of you hypocritically breaking the law to commit an act of what
you mistakenly believe upholds another.

I broke no law.

You did. ASk your unnamed but often invoked nameless and numerous cop
"friends".

Besides, speeding is not a criminal offense,

it's a simple summary offense.

And the cb infractions are civil in nature, not criminal.

Until they become habitual and flagrant.
=A0
I use your own words:

=A0What it may or may not lead to is irrelevant,

and calls for speculation.

..except when you invoked the possibilities of cbers running huge power
interfering with emergency communications in a long ago conversation. Of
course, it isno linger irrelevant when you invoke such.

Which happens.

Speculation is acceptable only when invoked by yourself to suppport your
hypocrisy.

Nothing I have said is hypocritical. However

you may wish to reexamine the context of

which you pull your information before making

invalid comparisons.

Since Frank taught you the proper definition of "analogy", it really
doesn't matter.

or on bands where public access is

set aside.

Or not. Don't forget many of the freqs that have been abandoned.

Abandoned does not mean "open".

Right,,,it means not being used.To use your analogy regarding physical
property,,,,if a lot or property is abandoned, and one tends the ground,
takes care of it, and pays the tax on it for x amount of years, the
often land becomes the property of the caretaker who has been taking
care of it and paying the taxes.

Squatters rights. And interesting angle.

And a valid one.

And for it to apply, then you would have to

concede that radio spectrum is treated in the

same way as "real" property.
=A0

It doesn't apply to the radoio spectrum, which is what you are being
properly instructed upon.

=A0I wonder if someone has tried that tactic on

the FCC in regard to the freeband area of 11

meters. The principle is similar.

Only to your misguided education or beliefs or whatever is responsible
for you not grasping such a concept. It has not been tried with the FCC
because even the lowly cbers seem to comprehend the spectrum is 1) not
owned by the FCC and 2) not tangible property.

Then the concept of squatter's rights does not

apply to radio spectrum.

Only you said it did.

So I'm curious why you brought it up in that

context.

To make you understand your error.

There are many abandoned buildings around.
But you are still not allowed to trespass there.

Yet, many people use these abandon buildings on a regular basis with
immunity.
Bums,,,vagrants, crackheads,

..... Freebanders. I see the similarities.

You really have a low opinion of yourself, Dave.
No, not me, only scofflaws.

I always said you had a serious ego and self-esteem problem. The mere
admittance that you held yourself in such company confirms such.

That was then, this is now.

No matter. I could say my esteem is that of which my character was never
held in the company of whcih you refer yourself, past or present.

Everyone can repent, even you.

Repent? To who? ANd for what? Is it a sin to talk on the freeband? Dave,
you're losing nd, here.

It's not too late to atone for the error of your

ways.

See above for examples of a form of civil disobedience..

Yes, and I'm waiting to see someone attempt

to use this reasoning to obtain the legal

authorization of the freeband

Only you could.

I've seen far more ridiculous claims come forth
by misguided citizens against the government.
So I would not be surprised if someone tried

the "squatter's rights" angle with respect to

radio spectrum.

Most understand the concept can not be applied to such, You, on the
other hand, are expressing great difficulty with the concept.

Then again, some people would rather just

operate illegally rather than going through the

trouble to have an perceived unjust rule

changed. Those people are simply weak.

Like yourself,,,who is reactive but never proactive. Great analogy,

The only thing you have in your favor is that

the FCC is not motivated enough to do much

about it.

You have nothing in your favor. It's all blatant hypocrisy.

What have I said, that could be considered

hypocritical?

too many things to list, but many regs have illustrated it for
you,,,it;s not their fault you can;t comprehend it.

Is operation on the freeband not illegal?

Should the law not be respected? How many

more excuses are you going to invent to hide,

obfuscate, justify, or otherwise downplay the

fact that you willingly ignore a federal law?
=A0

It really galls you that you were never given any reasons, let alone
conjured excuses of which onlu you hallucinate.

=A0It's not that it's any less illegal, it's only that

they don't care enough.

Because it is rightly a non-issue to the majority, of which you clearly
do not belong, leading to the fact that you are a minority wishing to
dictate your beliefs to the masses. Doesn't work that way.

Sort of like the democratic party trying to

subvert the constitution by an abusive

application of a filibuster to block judicial

nominees......

You said you were behind all legal activities. You're a hypocrite.
Fillibusters are legal.

Dave

"Sandbagger"

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