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May 21st 05, 11:21 AM

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From: "Bill Sohl" on Fri,May 20 2005 1:15 pm

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Len,
I don't consider myself an "amateur morseman" but I
could see that morse would win out over current text
messaging via cellphone.

Agreed, Bill. :-) That bit of entertainment, and of
twitting the TXT-ers on their cell phones, was never
any "contest." :-)

Sure it was. The Morse Code team handled the message faster than the
text messaging team.

Did you see the segment, Len?

Now if the input device for
text messaging had been a full keyboard, then I'd expect
the text messaging to win out as I belive records for
typing/keyboarding (100+ WPM I think) do exceed
the morse record (70+ per someone else's post).

Of course. But that wasn't the point..

Agreed again, but - again - that bit on the "Tonight
Show" was never any "contest" to "prove" anything.

Sure it was. In fact it proved a couple of things. Not only
was Morse Code faster, the audience thought text-messaging
would win, and was surprised by the outcome.

A few things are evident in this newsgroup. Firstly,
there are the cast-in-concrete conservatives who have
been brainwashed into believing that the ULTIMATE
skill in amateur radio is morsemanship.

Who are they, Len?

Is there something wrong with being "conservative"?

How about cast-in-concrete liberals who believe the opposite?

Secondly,
there is that handful of irregular regulars in here
trying to "win out" over anyone expressing any
opinion other than theirs...those stop at nothing to
attempt damaging their "opponents" credibility
through the usual attempted intimidation and personal
insults.

Well, Len, considering the way you address your opponents
with demeaning diminutive nicknames, make fun of their
education, work experience, military service, age, physical
appearance and any other characteristics you know of, I'd
say that you've just done a great job of describing yourself.

It matters not - in this newsgroup environment - that
the rest of the radio world has "put morse to the test"
and found it wanting in favor of better communications
modes.

Text messaging wasn't better than Morse Code in the contest.

The only practitioners of morsemanship still
active and USING it are in amateur radio in the USA.

And the rest of the world. Not just the USA.

All the other radio services in the USA have given up
on using any form of morse code for communications.
[automated station IDs in morse tones is not
communications]

It's communicating the identity of the station...

So what's your point, Len? Do you think amateurs should stop
using Morse Code because other radio services have stopped?

Indeed, all the amateur morsemen in here do the cheering
and "morse-patriotism" thing because they, too, have been
brainwashed into thinking that morsemanship is "real
operating" in radio.

Sorry Len, I can't agree with your statements here.
Like it or not, morse operating IS real operating radio...
just as driving my antique cars is real automobile driving.

Well said, Bill!

Bill, in all honesty, I was talking about the PCTA Extra
Double Standard brainwashed diehards in here...NOT
yourself...OR driving antique cars.

Is Morse Code radio operation "real operating" or not, Len?

Witness the constant statements of that "expert military
communicator" who keeps insisting I was "only a radio
mechanic" or the critic who never served but "had dinner
with the Captain (of an aircraft carrier)." :-)

Do these people have names?

Morsemanship IS PART of radio operating...but ONLY of a
radio that actually DOES USE on-off keying of the RF
carrier with morse code.

Or tone-modulation of a carrier, or frequency shift, or a bunch of
other ways to send it.

So what?

Morsemanship is NOT REQUIRED
by anyone operating an aircraft radio - either civilian
or military. Morsemanship is NOT REQUIRED of anyone
operating a broadcast services transmitter. Morsemanship
is NOT REQUIRED for anyone sending a GMDSS distress or
safety message. Morsemanship is NOT REQUIRED of any of
the radios (in the millions) used in Public Safety or
Private Land Mobile Radio Service. Not in the FCC
regulations for those radio services...and others.

So what? None of those services involve amateur radio operation.
Most of them don't even require a license, or a skilled operator.

Is morse commonplace outside of ham radio? No
it isn't, but that does not make the use of morse by
hams any less "operating radio" then any other mode.

Given that you (Len) believe morse is NOT operating
radio, would it be your desire to see morse banned
as a mode of use by amateurs?

Bill, that's NOT a "given."

That doesn't answer the question, Len.

IF and only IF morse
code skills ARE REQUIRED in radio operation, then
morsemanship IS a PART of radio operation.

That's just nonsense.

Do not try to put words in there that I am "banning
morse code operation" in amateur radio. I am NOT.

But it seems you would like to. You attack the mode itself
at every opportunity.

Others - in here - have already tried that. They
have failed...but they keep persisting in their
misguided attempts to suppress the real subjects by
their personal attacks and misstatements against others.

You mean like telling another to "shut the hell up, you little
USMC feldwebel"?

You haven't posed a viable question.

"would it be your desire to see morse banned as a mode of use by
amateurs?"

There you go.

They (amateur morsemen) will leap and embrace the
slightest thing that makes morse "better" than any other
mode. :-)

I don't see anything in the morse win over text
messaging that suggests that. The morse win over
text messaging was a specific comparison only.

Call it a "loaded test" akin to a "loaded question."
A SETUP.

How was it a setup, Len? The Morse ops didn't even use abbreviations.
They went about 1/3 the world-record speed.
The audience made a lot of noise, too. Yet they still won,
with 100% perfect copy.

Cellular telephony does not, nor was it ever designed, to
send textual communications. Cellular telephony was
designed and implemented to communicate by VOICE.

Not true. The text messging feature is built into the phones.
It's part of the design - as are the ability to send pictures
and other data, access the internet, etc.

From my cell phone I can do things like check my available
free minutes and the balance on the bill for cellular service.

Most cell phones in the USA aren't analog anymore, Len.

Did you know that Nokia is trying to patent a cell phone that
uses Morse Code?

The win did not prove nor did I see any amateur
in this newsgroup suggest that the win showed
that morse was "better than any other mode."

Bill, I will have to put you down as a LITERALIST then.
A "literalist" is one who takes all written text as it
is, unable to read in anything "between the lines" and
acting like some "language purist."

Why not just say what you mean to say, Len?

I'm sorry you've turned into that.

Yes, I've been around
this newsgroup long enough to know that there is
a handful (or at least was at one time) of hams that
might have held such "morse is better than any other
mode" perspective, but I think the issue has
ckarified significantly in recent years to the point that
the issue is the TEST and only the test for most
hams.

This newsgrope group is NOT "most hams." :-)

Sure. We have one non-ham lecturing others on how ham radio
should be....

It is a handful of PCTA Extra Double Standard bearers
on some personal "mission" to "win supremacy" in a
newsgroup. They will readily fall-to anyone speaking
against the league-speak and attack them like starving
vultures after ripe carrion. :-)

Sounds like you just described NCTAs as "ripe carrion", Len ;-)

As such, I applaud the morse win over Text
messaging because it was a good opportunity to
get some publicity for ham radio.

"Publicity," yes. But at what price? By putting other
means of communications DOWN in a rigged test?

The test wasn't rigged.

If that's the only means of "getting publicity" nationally,
then it is of rather low taste.

WHERE has any ardent radio amateur run with this "victory
for morse code?" The only talk seems to be WITHIN amateur
radio circles. Does the general public give a damn one
way or another? The general public has seen morse code "in
action" in many western movies and TV shows, set in periods
well before anyone's time.

When?

The general public is bound to
have seen "TXT-ing" by teeners and others in the present
time, eye-witnessing it in person. Right now TXT-ing is
part of at least three commercial ads on TV...that I've
seen today. Haven't seen a thing on amateur radio lately
(discounting that non-contest "contest" on "Tonight").

What do you suggest, Len?

Bill, it's NOT my job to promote amateur radio. I don't
have an amateur radio license nor any vested interest in
amateur radio.

Then why are you here?

My purpose in here has been to argue
against the morse code TEST for any amateur radio license.

Why? You say you have no vested interest but you sure
do post here a lot. Most of your posting has nothing to do
with the Morse Code test.

My "opponents" in here have generally been an insulting
little group of hypocritical moralsts "representing" the
"highest class" of USA radio amateurs. As EXAMPLES, they've
been far from good for the "amateur community."

How about *your* behavior here, Len? Have you been good for, say,
the IEEE?

Will text messaging
always be second (speed wise) to morse...who knows,
but without a full keyboard for entry, I suspect it
will be...but maybe someday there will be telepathic
input of text at which point all bets are off :-) :-)

Why do you bring up "telepathy" as a communications mode?
You have to understand that the PCTA Extra Double Standard
bearers ALREADY KBNOW that all amateurs "must" test for
morse code. They don't NEED "telepathy" when they have
proven morsemanship skills. ["CW gets through when nothing
else will"...probably including telepathy and electric power]

Gee, Len, you missed Bill's joke even with two smileys...

The discussions should be about the TEST for morsemanship.

Are you the moderatior?

It isn't.

Then why are you still here, if that's your purpose? The Leno show
post that started this thread said nothing of Morse Code testing.

The contents of these newsgroper's messages is a
comical set of middle-school juvenile posturing and
adolescent cuss words...especially those of other languages
and dialects not native to those middle-aged adolescents.

You mean like someone who writes in a sort of Charlie Chan dialect, or
someone who insists on calling others demeaning diminutive nicknames?

So, 91 years after the ARRL was formed, the best national-
exposure "publicity for amateur radio" is a rigged late-night
TV show segment ridiculing cell phone TXT-ing?

Guess your sense of humor doesn't stretch very far, Len.