First we would have to vote on who they are allowed to run, I don't see
anyone there right now I would vote for, not hillary, not kerry, not even
the congressman or senator who is "mine", it feels like someone else put him
in office (in deed the largest developer here donates to his campaign and my
elected official are bending over for him constantly--and the issues are
somehow ever blocked from getting onto the ballot to be reversed)--he has
done nothing for me... hope he has helped someone somewhere... what has your
congressman done for you?

John

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 May 2005 05:30:06 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote:


Yea I know, our government has pledged it's true allegiance to the
"corporate machine", the free masons, Skull and bones, a "shadow
government" consisting of the descendants of Howard Hughes and the
"Old money" cronies of the industrial age and maybe even gray aliens
from Zeti-Reticuli.


Dave, you're a friggin' loon.

I'm just paraphrasing the conspiracy nuts who think our government is
in bed with big business and a host of other conglomerates.



You complain about the motives of our elected officials, yet insist
that our form of government is the only way to go. That seems to be an
inconsistent position to take. If you don't like your elected
officials, then vote them out next term. But don't complain if the
majority of voters differ from your opinion and override your
selection. That's what majority rule is all about. For every one who
gets what they want, someone else will be unhappy. That's life.


Even after -MONTHS- of discussion on the topic you -STILL- don't get
it. I'll make this -really- simple so even -you- can understand it:

Why, it's clear that YOU don't understand it.


This is not a "majority rule" country -- it's a country based on the
recognition of individual rights and freedoms.

Yes but every time we have an election, the majority picks the winner.

You have the right to
think freely, to speak your opinions openly, to exercise religion as
you see fit, to make your own decisions without government influence,

Try to refuse to pay your taxes, cry fire in a crowded theater,
attempt to approach an elected official without permission, posses
contraband, or act in a manner which could be construed as suspicious.

Your "rights" are limited, to some extent, by the government. Some of
your "rights" are really privileges (try to drive a car without a
license).


etc, etc; and these rights and freedoms are guaranteed -REGARDLESS- of
the opinions of any special-interest group, EVEN IF they represent the
majority, and EVEN IF you are a member of that "majority".

But if your guy loses on election day, tough cookies.


The USA is NOT a democracy

No, it's a representative republic, loosely based on parliamentary
rule.

-- it's a country based on EQUAL RIGHTS and
FREEDOMS for EVERY citizen, the "Moral Majority" be damned.

You cannot give everyone what they want. Any fool (Except perhaps you)
knows that. When people group together with diametrically opposing
wishes and viewpoints, the largest group usually wins.

If you
don't like it, leave -- hell, I'll even buy your plane ticket! But if
you decide to stay, shut the **** up because you are effectively
undermining the integrity of this country with your lies, propoganda,
and warped interpretations of the Constitution; and I won't sit by and
let that happen because I took an oath to defend both the Constitution
and the country.

It's a shame that you took an oath to defend something that you don't
understand properly. You are a hopeless idealist. Reality is a concept
that escapes you. You don't even understand that the establishment
clause does not establish separation of church and state. Nowhere are
the words separation of church and state in there.




Either you are for the Constitution or you are against it. So it's
time for you to make a choice, Dave -- are you an American or not?

I am for it. But what you are is open for questioning.


Dave
"Sandbagger"