first, scriptkiddies are not 'coders', they are idiots who only know enough
to run scripts that they download from hacker sites.

second, java is a language and it is definately not a 'scripting' language.
it is a full featured high level language. you might be confusing java with
javascript. javascript is completely different and should never be
mentioned in the same sentence with java.

finally, there is no one that works in c++ who wants to rename it java, they
are very different things. however, c# is microsofts attempt to merge c++
and java, likewise vb.net is their attempt at merging vb and java. how well
it works is still being worked out i think.

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Hal:
.... well, scriptkiddies may be offensive to some, perhaps "scripters" would
be a better choice to describe this group of coders...

.... I often hear Java discussed as if it were a language, instead of a
compiled scripting language... however, even if they were correct--one would
only need to ask the question, "Why?" As, with "C" and "C++" it would only
be a reduplication of effort! If the intent is to rename "C++" to
"Java"--well, as time passes it just might take...

Warmest regards,
John

"Hal Rosser" wrote in message
.. .
Yep, Applets gave Java a head start.
But now I don't think applets are being used very much.
Full blown applications (like Star Office and 'Open Office.org)
is the typical Java program now.
Now everyone is trying to get their programs web-enabled.
Yep - I'm a programmer. and a student - and a teacher
The more I learn, the more I learn that there's more to learn.
My ignorance becomes more obvious to me as I learn.
The push now is to make legacy apps web-accessable -
or to replace legacy code with web apps.
Java servlets and Java Server Pages (As opposed to Applets) seems to be
the
wave of the future.
I don't have a favorite language until I see the environment and
requirements.
But I do have 'least favorites' (C# and dot-net in general)
your description of scriptkiddies causing you to 'dump java' is a shame

But It still sounds like you're getting JavaScript confused with Java.
Since you program in c, it makes sense that you don't like OO.
Object-Oriented programming is quite a departure from the procedural world
of c.
Its a different programming philosophy.
And to top it off - they're coming with a new one called "Aspect-Oriented
Programming".
We'll see if it stands to test of time.


"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Hal:

Java is buried in a lot of webpages... when it first got big use... I
kinda
liked all the flashy visual stuff it could do...
... then it started bogging down net speed, then the scriptkiddies
started
finding evil ways to hijack your browser and "trick" you into clicking
on
buttons which put bad code on your machine with Java--I dumped Java
then--now I have run XP w/SP2 with SUN Java enabled and not been
bothered
with the malicious code--but once burned--twice warned--and I turn Java
off
most of the time... some forms demand it...

I am not against scripting languages, and perl is one of the first I
learned--but since I write in C, Java is no problem--but I don't like
the
OOP part, it forces a lot of predefined functions/procedures and methods
on
you... luckily, we don't do any Java at the shop--it is too slow for
our
implementations of encryption/decryption... sometimes assembly is barely
able to manage the tasks in real time... and that is important with
voice/video communications...

Are you a programmer Hal? And if so, what is your language(s) of
choice?
And, are you a hobby programmer or have to try to get enough money to
eat
from your efforts (like me grin) ? My most fulfilling use of code is
for
personal use... I'd really quit my job if I didn't need the booze, cigs
and
loose women (well, something like that grin)

Warmest regards,
John

"Hal Rosser" wrote in message
. ..
Saw an article where Google uses 3 languages routinely: C++, Java, and
Python.
(All 3 are object-oriented)
Special permission was needed for other languages
I think one reason for the OO movement revolves around the cost of
development.
Large projects -
with many developers of varying degrees of competence -
are easier to manage
using OO design.

If someone gives a coder a job like:
"write an instance method for xyz class which will take 2 int args and
return a abc class..."
he can go right to work. -and -
someone else can be coding a different method for the same class.

regardless of the language
when you code
you'll find some patterns
we all use
over and over
the difference is
syntax