From: Leo on Jun 2, 6:40 pm

On 1 Jun 2005 15:39:42 -0700, wrote:
Leo wrote:
On 31 May 2005 15:37:45 -0700, wrote:
Leo wrote:
On 31 May 2005 02:06:42 -0700, wrote:

etc.

What part of that is not accurate, Leo? Maybe you are who you
say you are, and maybe you aren't. Maybe "Arf!" is who he says
he is - or maybe he ain't.

Perhaps!


Hmmm - let's see here....I wasn't agreeing with you, so perhaps
I am not legitimate.

Not at all. Your lack of verifiable ID means there's room for
doubt. Same for "Arf" or any other anonymous poster.

You seem to place a great deal of value on 'verifiability', Jim.

Heh. Just because someone's callbook ID is verifiable doesn't mean
that much else is. Take you, for example - other than what's in the
QRZ database, how much do we know about you? Just what you have
stated in your posts - that's all. Is what you say true ? Maybe -
maybe not. Unless someone is willing to put in the effort, time and
expense to research an individual's claims, they can be neither proven
nor disproven.

I disagree in part, as far as this newsgroup is concerned:
Certain individuals in here (curiously coincidental on
their attitudes favoring morse code testing!) are allowed
free rein on whatever they CLAIM. Others, challenging that
attitude are rained on...lately insofar as national
patriotism is concerned.

That is the manifest of the PCTA Extra Double Standard
bearers.

I suggest that, in a public forum such as this, an individual's
behaviour is a far better indicator of who they are than something as
silly as a callbook listing. Forget claims of education, heroic feats
and braggodocio - just read what the individual writes, and you'll see
the real person shine through. (for example, what were you doing when
you questioned my 'legitimacy' in this thread, Jim - picking yet
another fight with Len? Hmmm - that happens a lot, doesn't it??)

I can almost read the responses to that before he writes
them... :-)

Whether "Arf!" or anyone else here is 'legitimate' or not is quite
immaterial! Why people are here, and how they behave while in here,
is of much greater importance.

Ahem...this is NOT allowed in the PCTA Extra Double
Standard handbook. :-)

And, of course, whether you believe that another poster is
'legitimate' or not is of no importance at all.

Oy gevalt! That will raise the Hue and Cry! :-)


Please note that Len insists on calling "Arf!" names and comparing
him to Nigerian bank scammers, but does not do the same for
those who agree with him.

"Nigerian?" Did I say specifically "Nigerian?" :-)


Not necessarily. I have not always agreed with Len's points either -
nor he with mine - neither do I belittle his (considerable)
accomplishments and experience or deliberately pick fights with him to
bolster my own ego. (ahem).

Maybe that's why civil discourse is possible between us? Duh.....

Another U.S. Extra used to pull out some phrase about
"gentlemen" and discourse in here. That Extra seems
to have dropped such phraseology when others have posted
items about national patriotism in here...after he has
repeat-posted old works written by others. sigh

Some on the group seem to have a pathological need to pick fights with
others, though - are you suggesting that the target of these attacks
should not return fire? (That wouldn't be much fun, would it?)

Bill Cosby used to have a comedy routine many years ago
about the Revolutionary War. It started out with a
"Referee" explaining to the "player captains" what the
"game rules" were. [naturally one-sided, the Redcoats
had to march in straight lines in the open while the
Revolutionaries could hide behind trees and rocks, firing
at will] If one was an American, that was very funny.

That was definitely NOT funny to a nationalistic Britisher
at a social gathering in the Hollywood Hills. I could see
the Brit's point of view, but others seemed not to. The
hostess sensed nastiness brewing and intervened by changing
the subject to a party activity, etc. Crisis averted.

Bill Cosby went on to become a beloved comedian in American
TV. Yet the subject matter [our Revolutionary War] was not
a trivial thing when it was fought; England never really
forgave the upstart Colonies for that and the War of 1812
had to repeat the whole process nearly 4 decades later.
England didn't win that war either.

A very remote parallel sort-of exists in here, the PCTA
bravely "fighting" to keep their royal RULE alive, yet are
slowly losing. The much-touted near-Byzantine CLASS
structure of U.S. amateur radio has not been decimated, it
has been cut in HALF. [Roman Legions were never that
severe with their "disciplinary" measures of decimation]
Further, to add insult to their "injury," the beloved
Title/Rank/Status of "20 WPM Tested" was reduced to a
"mere" 5 WPM. [their cold, dead reasoning refuses to
let their mental fingers release their code keys...tsk]
Their "Empire" is falling and they curse the evil "sloth"
in revenge; George Lucas couldn't make a film on this
epic due to too many "Annakin" manmiquins abounding.
[see "Revenge of the Sloth" who want only the "easy way
to get a license...etc, etc, ad nauseum]

In addition, Len has posted here under a variety of screen names
(like "averyfine" and "averyfineman") often without any real ID.

I had no problem figuring out who the author of those posts were - did
you? Get the humor? Avery Fineman...A Very Fine Man...heh heh.

Anal-retentive morsemen have a "sense of humor" limited to
laughing at those they try to humiliate. Tsk.

My REAL Identity has never changed. It is still the same as
my byline in Ham Radio Magazine, as is my postal address.
A "screen name" or "handle" on a computer-modem provider site
is dependent on the standards that provider establishes. There
is NO "real ID" possible through nearly all computer-modem
service providers. The exception is the "forwarding alias"
provided by some sites such as the IEEE and ARRL both have
for their members. As an IEEE member since 1973, my real
identity is definitely known to them and has been for 35 years.
I could not fake any "forwarding alias" through them due to
their own controls to insure honesty; I could only choose what
to use as an "alias" name. I had that capability since over
three years ago but never got around to using it.

"Avery Fineman," "LenOver21" were all handles I used in BBS
computer-modem communications 20 years ago. "No CW Test"
was a new one chosen just for this newsgroup 5 years ago.
That was dropped due to the late (?) W0EX perverting that to
"No CW Testicles" in his replies. Strangely, there was NO
objection to that rather obvious male anatomy term but there
was much ado about breasts and the alleged "pornographic"
callsign of Kim, W5TIT.

When I first joined AOL, their rules permitted screen names
of a maximum of 8 characters. Since AOL membership is a few
millions and that they do not allow identical names, having
a set of common real names makes it difficult to choose a
desired screen name without possessing a personal, federally-
authorized, official merit badge callsign of the U.S. amateur
radio corps. Since my life is NOT ruled by any hobby, the
choice was either to use an old handle or improvise with a
bit of humor. [humor is hard to come by in this oh-so-very
serious gathering of beagles] AOL rules were relaxed later
to all members' relief...and also increased to a maximum of
SEVEN screen names per subscription! [all the same subscriber
and billed to the subscriber] His Most Honorable Royal
Highness of Morseman Hall has that same option.

Leo, if you happen to chance upon an AOL screen name of
"Juan Mortime" in the future, that will be me. [pronounce
it to get the pun - mightier than the sword] No doubt that
is, somewhere, already OUTRAGING and INSULTING (!) Spanish
speakers for "unpatriotically defacing Latin customs"
everywhere. Sigh. I have more names plus another Internet
provider. Everywhere one goes we find the anal-retentive
with figurative USB connectors jammed up their I/O ports.

If someone wants to actually discuss something with me, fine.
I've done that for 20 years without insulting anyone...
except those USB-in-the-I/O-port folks. Others who think
they can shoot verbal nasties at me with impugnity will get
much more "return fire" than they expected. Screum.

Best of springtime to you up in the north lands, Leo.