From: "bb" on Sun,Jun 5 2005 8:44 pm


wrote:
From: "bb" on Sun 5 Jun 2005 06:58
K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
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Ham radio has certainly changed since I first heard about it
back in the 40s. So many uptight folks in it now, so easily
bruised, some wanting to bully, terrorize, and FIGHT!

Perhaps, Lennie, if certain mischevious scumbags weren't
looking to "bruise" people there wouldn't be such a propensity to be as defensive.

Such as the deceitful and misleading barbs YOU disseminate in this
forum.

Guess you now think it's wrong for one to defend one's self?

No one except Ghandi thinks that. But you make every posting as if it
were a personal attack to your very being and your way of life. You
made yourself a target, an easy target, by being such an idiot about
everything. Lighten up.

:-)

8(

The problem didn't start with the No Code test...It started almost
20 years before that with the influx of 11 meter operators via the Bash
Book route and the subsequent codification of the "open pools".

Ah, yes, the "Riff-Raff" theory. Almost 20 years ago I used the ARRL's
"Now You're Talking" and the ARRL's non-Farnsworth Code tapes to enter
the amateur radio service via "open pools" testing.

Ahem, "almost 20 years ago" would be about 1985. Class D CB
was created in 1958...FORTY-SEVEN YEARS AGO. 27 years in
between are unaccounted for in Stebie's statement.

Steve is referring to 20 years prior to the advent of the No-Code
Technician, which happened sometime in the early 90's, so his reference
period is early 70's. Basically, he's saying that many, most, or all
hams entereing the ARS since the early 70's have Bashed it and are
worthless CBers.

Stebie doesn't have the word-laying savvy to express much except
contempt for those who do not agree with him.

The no-code-test Technician became effective in 1991. Going back
20 years before that would start at 1971. "Eleven meter" CB had
already existed for 13 years by 1971 and the off-shore transceivers
were already well-established in the radio market then. An early
designer-manufacturer of CB radios, General Radiotelephone Co., of
Burbank, CA, has already filed for bankruptcy and closed its
corporation and location on Magnolia Blvd; the half-completed
mast is still visible on the roof of that building today.

Of course, Cecil put all that nonsense to rest years and years ago, but
some people pesrist with wrong thoughts.

I know. Many of us tried to show the truth in the non-amateur radio
world. To little avail. Those who continue their myths will have
none of the truth.

"11 meter 'operators?'" The original "11 meter" CB users
required a license but never required any test. USERS.
Absolutely NO written form of "radio knowledge" was
required of any USER.

"Open pools?" There were "Q&A" books published before 1956
on ALL FCC written tests. BEFORE the Dick Bash publications.
That was way back in history when ALL the FCC radio regulations
were supplied as three-ring binder, loose-leaf pages.

ARRL, Ameco...

For amateur radio written exams, yes. There was an earlier
publisher of Q&A books which covered many different topics,
including the FCC Commercial License written exams. I tried
to obtain one of those in late February, 1956, couldn't and
resorted to simply studying the entirety of the available FCC
radio regulations of that time (quite small in comparison to
the five-volume bound set of Title 47 today).



All of those non-ham radios are in use by "riff-raff?"
Dick Bash is "responsible" for all the Q&A books published
in the 1950s? Yes to all implies the mighty Stebie,
"speaker for all hams and the 'ham community'."

Bash was a ham. A Mighty Morseman

Irrelevant to those who need Hate Objects. :-)

Just as irrelevant to the fact that Bruce Perens, founder of
the No Code International interest group was a 20 WPM code-
tested Amateur Extra BEFORE he founded that group. :-)

Class C and D Citizens Band Radio Service is close to the
half-century mark and most of its detractors (and haters)
were either unborn or had not obtained any license when it
was created. "Class C" exists, expanded in permissible
frequencies, as "Radio Control Radio Service" in Part 95.
"Class D" is in the same part and called simply "Citizens
Band Radio Service."

Class A and B, on low UHF frequencies was discontinued
many years before. It would have been a year-plus older
than Class C and D had it continued. NONE of the original
four Citizens Band classes required any user to take any
written test for a CB license. Such licenses were
discontinued by the FCC when the number of CB users
reached about a half million or so; exact number is
irrelevant with the near-present-day number of CB radios
being estimated at 5 MILLION in use.


"Pbthpththth" says Bill the Cat. Hear the Opus.