Heck, John, he was pushing the Art Bell show for a while )

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA
ps - ya got it right!



"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Jim:

The Wayne Green? The one who was even thrown off the Art Bell show for
being such a shill con-artist? Wow, you live-ya learn...

John

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
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"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
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"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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Dan's point of a 1X3 being an indicator of an old timer does not
hold
water.

Definitely not. Many holders of 1x3 calls got their licenses in
the
1990s
and many new licenses today are getting 1x3 calls through the
vanity
system since there are none available for sequential issue.
However if
one looks only at the sequentially issued calls, the Ws are older
than
the
Ks which in turn are older than the Ns.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


I think you are trying to be a devils advocate here Dee. You should
know
I
was refering to the time before incentive licensing. If you
don't...you
do
now. So my comments are valid and correct.

Dan/W4NTI



Hello, Dan

That you may also have mis-read what I was saying. Before vanity
calls
(incentive licensing was in the 1960s), you could be certain of an old
timer
by the callsign. You could not be positive of a newer type call
because if
you changed radio districts, you were issued a new sequentially
assigned
call.

This is why Wayne Greene operated as W2NSD/1 for years. I don't know
if he
owned or licensed real estate in New York to keep the W2NSD call, but
finally was able to keep it for his new QTH.

W2NSD is quite some time after a 1X2 call and Wayne goes back a *lot*
of
years. He got his 50th (or was it more than 50?) year membership pin
from
the ARRL back quite some time ago. I subscribed to 73 about 10 years
ago,
so it may have been in that time frame. Assuming he did not get his
license
at the age of two or three, plus quite a few years between the 1X2s
and
W2NSD, I would suspect most of the original 1X1s are long SK. I
suspect a
fair number of the original 1X3s are also gone. Perhaps not the
majority,
but a fair number.

I make this statement only by personally knowing some of them and
having an
idea of their age. The ones I knew are all SK.

Ooops. I do know a 1X2. He was WA2SEY and obtained a 1X2 via the
vanity
call system. The only one I know is through the vanity call system.
Ooops,
wait. I've heard a couple on the air locally. All vanity call signs.

Going through posts in one group, I've seen a lot of folks grabbing
the 1X3s
via the vanity call system.

Due to personal experience, I suspect that a fair number of 1X3s are
vanity
issue and am convinced that most, if not all, of the 1X2s are vanity
issues.

Certainly, there are still a large number of 1X3s still around with a
non-vanity issued call. However, I suspect that in the 2nd district,
these
would have run out sometime around 1959 or 1960. This sets a lower
limit on
age of around 50. This would be for a child who obtained his or her
ticket
just before they started with the WA prefixes here. Someone obtaining
their
ticket then as a teenager should be around 60. You don't have to go
too far
back through the K2XXX to approach W2XXX and now you're likely looking
at
someone 80 years old or more. There were fewer amateurs then and
callsigns
weren't issued at the machine-gun rate they were some decades later.

I mentioned K2BRE. Were he still alive, he would be in his mid to
upper
80s. And that is still after the W2XXX calls. You expect me to
believe
most of the 1X3s are 80 years old and older?

How many hams are around that are 90 years old?

This is why I suspect a fair number of the 1X3s are vanity calls. Of
course, other radio districts may not need go back nearly as many
years to
achieve the 1X3s.

My first post was to point out that the WA and WB prefixes indicate
folks
that are approaching 60 years old. I doubt any were obtained via
vanity
calls. So, I suspect these folks have been licensed well over 40
years. I
cannot assume that with a 1X2 or 1X3.

Oh, I almost forgot W2OY. He's been SK for many years now, but other
lids
have jumped right in to fill the gap.