N2EY:

Granted, things are EXAGGERATED in my text... it is done to emphasize
the point...

We seem at this point of where you, "have to hit them over the head with
a 2x4 just to get their attention."

If they are shocked, angry and ready to have a go at me--so much the
better...

I am not really a "heartless old *******", although I play the part
well... grin

.... we need to give these young guys a break... frankly, you guys may
have all been different than me with my first novice ticket--however, I
know a was a young-dumb-smart-ass... now it is my turn to pay back what
those guys who put up with me back then went though--and it would help
if we all chipped in here a bit...

Not all hams are evil--in fact, I really have NEVER met a truly evil
one--so you won't get me to argue that--but some have their actions,
motivations and goals a bit misplaced...

.... "old buzzards" may have been a bit over-stated on my part... grin

.... long as we can all talk and "get real" we can work something out--I
am sure...

Warmest regards,
John
wrote in message
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John Smith wrote:
You just dismissed the fact that Haynie is seeing a real
problem here,
he is beginning to tell hams to stop acting like such
immature jerks

Folks like W5JBP have been saying that for a long time.

They're right, of course.

and get with the program

Which "program", though?

--you take these words are turn them into him giving
you an "Atta Boy!"

Not me.

If you are fool enough to believe that you will have to...
such denial,
avoidance and BS has stagnated us to the point where all there are,
are
a bunch of guys out there too old to be of interest to QSO
with- -the
young guys know that and you can tell them different till the
cows come home--it will not change one thing...

There's a lot more than "a bunch of guys too old to be of
interest" - but you have to go where they are.

I am 52 and most are too old for me... long winded rants about
yesteryear and such is a real turn off to this guy...

I am 51, been a ham more than 37 years. In all that time, there
have always been the "old buzzards" doing what you describe.
There have also always been folks who are a lot different,
regardless of age.

I cringe when I
see the expressions on the young mens face who hear it on my
demos of radio...

And how do you do these demos? You show them voice operating,
right? 75, 20, 2 meters?

Try expanding the horizons to other modes, like PSK31, Pactor, and
(gasp) Morse Code. Different worlds, different people.

You sit there thinking all is well--I can tell you are
past anything but
an argument for maintaining status quo...
You really mean to tell me you feel the bands out there
are "congested?"

Depends what bands, modes and when.