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June 10th 05, 04:08 PM

From: (Dave=A0Hall)
On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 11:34:06 -0400, (I
AmnotGeorgeBush) wrote:
David T. Hall Jr. (N3CVJ) wrote:
If your circumstances dictate that you will not

be able to earn a college degree for 10 years

of night school, while working at Wal-Mart,

then many people with little patience quit and

then vote for a democrat who will give them

food stamps. Those who stick it out, will

eventually receive the rewards for their efforts.
Nice theory, but you can't swing that excuse in the real world.

Sure you can. You only have to want it bad

enough.

For
example, take the layoffs GM just announced. Many are single parents
with school age children who can not go back to school AND support a
family.

Why are they single parents in the first place?

Such has nothing to do with the layoffs, but death is one reason why
many are single parents.
What should they do, Dave? They lost their well paying jobs and medical
insurance for themselves and their children.

Job retraining is usually available for people

displaced by layoffs.

In Detroit for GM workers? Who pays for that?
You need to realize many can't move away for myriad of reasons, such as
caring for an infirm parent nearby in a care facility for but a single
example.

Most people have large extended families.

Most? How you figure that?

I know the concept of family has become

somewhat foreign with today's younger

generation. No one branch of a family should

be made to bear the burden of such hardships
themselves.

You are assuiming all families share your core beliefs. They do not.
This country is a melting pot of so many value systems and beliefs that
you will never have families all sharing the same.

People lean on the internal support of the

family for temporary hardships.

We're not talking emotional or physical, we are talking financial.

A strong family negates the need for the

government to stick its nose into it (At other

people's expense).

I know many strong family units who would die for each other. That
doesn't mean one has the financial means to provide a solution for
another's misfortunes, especially when catastrophic health issues arise.
More
children are now caring for parents than in any other time in our
history. Many have taken out home equity loans to pay for health care
and prescription coverage that they lost through no fault of their own.

Yes, and those who are ambitious will pay it

all back when they adjust to their situation and
find a new vocation.

Many are disabled or seniors and can't work. MANY. Surely you aren't
presenting the idea that all those without health care can simply
"adjust". You are assuming these people can all work when a great number
of them, esecially in Florida are seniors with a host of health
problems. What is your solution to this very large group?
There is an entire contingency in many demographical areas of the US in
which many are trapped in a sort of financial snare.

Well, if you live in a town where 80% of the

people work at "the factory" and that factory

closes up, well yea the town's in a real pickle.

All towns have a major employer.

That's why an intelligent person looks to live in
an area where alternate employment id

plentiful, and diverse commerce is well

established.

You are focusing on a select group of healthy individuals. The number of
those without health care (seniors included) far outnumber those healthy
workers who get laid off.

That way, no one layoff can cripple a

significant portion of the population.

Depends what you consider a significant portion of the population. I can
think of several examples..Reagan importing cheaper metals from the
Asians decimated the steel industry in Pa and Ohio. In many of those
industry towns, this led to the closing of the mills and a significant
layoff of those town's populations and many of those towns became
ghettos or ghost towns because of that. Same can be said with coal
mining and to a certain extent, the auto industry. History repeats
itself.

That's one of the reasons why I still live where

I do. I was once contemplating a move to both
Florida and North Carolina. But the lack of

.diverse skilled jobs and much lower pay

scales pretty much nixed that move.
=A0

Lack of diverse skilled jobs? When was the last time you checked the
stats? Florida has led the country in adding new jobs and has not felt
the inflation the country has felt the last so many years. The pay here
was always offset by the lower cost of living. The only people that have
trouble adjusting are those who live beyond their means.

_
=A0People like you
usually get what is coming in the end

Yes, we tend to survive, because we don't

look to other people to blame, or to the

government for help.

What about this job retraining you speak of? Who pays for it?

That's what self sufficiency and personal

responsibility are all about.

Looking to the government for assistance is perfectly acceptable in many
instances, Dave. There are thousands and thousands and thousands of
people STILL homeless in Fl because of the hurricanes. Many of the major
insurance companies are STILL unable to pay for their customer's claims.
If it wasn't for the government assistance (what you always refer to as
"handouts") with food, water, shelter, etc., these folks would be on the
welfare tit. Now please 'splain how being self-sufficient and personally
responsible can help these folks who paid their premiums on time
faithfully all those years, had their homes destroyed or damaged to the
point they are rendered unsafe for living conditions, lost all their
possessions, yet still manage to survive by living in tents, can bring
them up out of their hell created by the insurance companies who are
regulated by the federal government.You really have no clue the
magnitude of damage these storms had on many people in Florida. There
are so many hardworking people that are struggling just to feed their
kids, living in tents, and waiting for the federal government to crack
down on the insurance companies and make them ante up. To suggest these
fine families are anything less than responsible or self-sufficient
shows you haven't a clue, Dave. On the contrary, I will lay odds these
folks are illustrating survival skills and grit that you couldn't
handle. Many of these folks have been living out of doors, literally,
for almost a year and cooking on fires or grills. Try this for a year,
Dave, then you -may- be qualified to speak of what these people should
and shouldn't do.

_
and karma, luck, divine
intervention, whatever, will dictate you end up just like those you
blame for being poor, black, queer, liberal, etc. In fact, your daughter
may quit school, commonly become pregnant to an African-American or
three, have many children and volunteer at the ACLU before realizing she
is a lesbian and needs a job to pay the attorney for the crack and
prostitution charges.

Not likely because she will have grown up in a
solid supportive family that helps each other

and promotes open communications and a

.strong work ethic with solid morals.

What the hell does that have to do with having children to another race?
You can tell you are about to tread in unfamiliar parenting territory.
Just you wait. Mistakenly believing that strong morals and all that good
stuff aimed at raising your child will prevent her from making her
mistakes is the mistake many people make. In fact, many of us who have
raised children to adults know better than to believe such tripe, as we
were there long before you, Dave. If what you say were true, drug
addicts and prostitutes and the like would come from only families that
were broken and had no communications, strong work ethic or solid
morals. Addiction has no cultural, socioeconomic boundaries.

And I have taken enough steps to ensure that

she will not have to bear the financial burden

of taking care of me when I'm old and infirm.

I'm only 45,

and if I lost my job tomorrow, I'd be able to live
comfortably for 4 years without another job,

and before I have to worry. If I take a job at

half the pay, that number doubles. If the wife

also goes back to work, that number

increases. If I liquidate some assets, that

.number increases even more. Before you

know it, I'll be at retirement age, and my

.pensions will kick in, not to mention my 401K.
Have you planned for financial hardship?

I can provide food, water, and the basic necessities. Believe it or not,
there are many in Florida, more in the rural areas, who rely on no cash
at all, and it's always been that way. Self-sustainment has always been
a large part of the original Floridians and their families. They have
survived Indians, draughts, plagues (such as citrus canker that
decimates entire industries and family enterprises) hurricanes on a
regular basis..on it goes. Florida has never been the cushy place your
ads in between Homer Simpson and reality shows depict. Miami and Disney
have always presented an unrealistic portrait of Florida. It is still a
very much undeveloped state,,,except on the coastal regions. There are
state roads that traverse through the state east and west that have
nothing in between the coasts except for a few small unremarkable towns
with populations in the double digits.

What's your excuse not to?

I can always sell my home and move north (or inland) and buy incredible
acreage and 4 or 5 times the home I have here and still have enough left
over to live fairly well. Our home values increased over 70% in the last
ten years in some areas. Taxes when I bought my original home here were
less than 300 bucks a year. Now they are over 3G. Houseboats are another
option for those of us who tame the sea. Of course, I can always throw a
trailer or mobile home near JerryO's place after selling my home and
never have to worry about money again.

Dave

"Sandbagger"