nm5k:

I agree with you on some you say, and on some of it disagree...

Some, like me, care most about getting something up you can use and/or
tinker with... and I work with computer models all day, I like to get my
hands dirty...

Others want it to be perfect "on paper"...

This is not a case of one being right over the other--and no matter what
their goal--I would like to accept it as a valid goal without question.

It helps to try to formulate answers to help the particular person in
question towards obtaining their goals--as opposed to impressing them
with ones personal knowledge--well, unless that is what they wish and/or
that is acceptable to them.

There are men with good sound knowledge here, I do not question
that--just sometimes they could present it in a manner which is more
pleasant and tolerant... either way I will accept it, however I think
some of the "faint at heart" are chased away...

And in any case, it does not hurt to know the fine details of
something--take the balun/choke and feedline currents for example--heck,
you can run with the currents... and, if you ever get tired and wonder
what it would be like to run without them, doesn't hurt to have gained
the knowledge to quickly wind a current balun and chuck it in the
line...

Warmest regards,
John

wrote in message
oups.com...
Don't let the nay-sayers in this NG bother you, and don't waste
your time arguing with them.

At this point, I don't consider my thoughts, arguing....
Just stating the fairly obvious...Don't ignore spillover
currents if you want superior performance from an elevated
vertical on VHF/UHF.

Some of them can't stand the thought that any antenna which differs
from their personal pet(s) might be good.

I could care less...He didn't invent the J pole...


Others can't grasp the
idea that when model predictions and actual results differ, it's the
results that count.

The actual results count...I could care less about the models.
I've tested all this in the real world, with real antennas.

Still others can't seem to understand that effects
too small to measure usually do not matter in the real world.

Total BS in most cases....I seen the lack of decoupling totally
ruin otherwise decent antennas... I've personally tested and
seen easy 3-4 s unit differences in the same exact antenna , with
and without the decoupling section connected.
Decoupling is critical to high performance on VHF/UHF.
All the best designs include it.

Your antenna is beautifully made, very reasonably priced, and
you are (apparently) making a successful small business with it.
Your customers are delighted, and refer their friends.

Yes, I agree. I know many people that use his arrow yagi's
for SAT work...Just because his J pole doesn't have a decoupling
device doesn't mean he doesn't build good antennas...Not that many
people decouple J poles...I've never understood why...But there it
is...

You are
starting to attract imitators.

The J pole has been imitated numerous times....
Or are you talking about arrows?

How many of these accomplishments
can the nay-sayers claim?

Ugh....I'm not in the antenna biz...But If I were....but If I were....
I would decouple *all* my VHF/UHF verticals.
Myself, I doubt I would even sell a J pole...
I'm not particularly fond of the design...
I would sell a super duper isopole II.....
Decoupling out the ying yang...
And yes, I'm sure it would cost more than $39.00...
MK