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June 18th 05, 02:38 AM

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From: on Tues 14 Jun 2005 09:08

John Smith wrote:
I think most of those groups progressive and open to change--this alone
would make classification as a cult difficult...

Try selling the NRA on the idea that the Second Amendment
should be
repealed.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. THIS newsgroup is NOT about owning personal
firearms.

Then why did you mention "a few ounces of pressure", Len?

Try selling NCI on the idea that *some* code testing is OK.

No Code International was found for the express purpose of
ELIMINATING the morse code test. Why should they "change"
and do like you wish them to do?

Because it would show that they are "progressive" and
"open to change", rather than stuck in the past. We are
told that "change is inevitable" so why should NCI
fight change the way they do? Why should they insist on
un-moving devotion to their "principles" and the staunch
"unwillingness" to change on the point of code
testing?

However, the ARRL with un-moving devotion to
its "principles" and the
staunch "unwillingness" to change is what makes it more
appropriate to such classification...

The ARRL is as "open to change" (if not more so) as any of the
organizations named.

Total and complete bull****,

No, it isn't, Len.

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Why can't you just call me "Jim" or "N2EY", Len?

The ARRL is about as
hidebound to the status quo as is possible for the olde-tyme
league leaders to be and still be human.

How so?

In 1998, *before* FCC released an NPRM, ARRL formally proposed
reducing the
number of amateur radio license classes in the USA from 6 to 4,
proposed reducing the code testing requirements for General and
Extra class licenses, proposed free upgrades for two license classes,
and proposed better written testing.

ARRL also proposed that Technician class amateurs be allowed to
use some HF bands *without having passed a Morse Code test*.

ARRL has recently formally proposed another round of changes,
including elimination of the code test for all but Extra class
licenses.

Hardly "hidebound to the status quo"!

Your claim is incorrect.

That is abundantly
clear in their publications, periodicals, and whatnot output in at least the last half century!

How?

Way back in the late 1940s and early 1950s, ARRL was fully
behind amateurs getting on SSB. There were numerous articles
in QST promoting the mode, SSB construction projects in various
ARRL publications, and even a column in QST "On The Air with
Single Sideband". Some hams even complained to the editor that
ARRL was "forcing SSB down our throats".

Hardly "hidebound to the status quo"

Plenty of other examples all through the past half century.
VHF, UHF, SSTV, repeaters, satellites, AMTOR, packet, EME,
and much more are the subject of both the general ARRL
publications and specialized books.

The June 2005 issue of QST has a two page article on EME
with JT65. You probably don't even know what JT65 is, Len.

The league WILL support the law as it is written.

What would you have them do - break the law?

It must. That
is PC. Beyond that, the league sits on their
collective olde-tyme
duffs, trying to keep the status at the quo of the core
membership.
the Believers.

Those claims are completely incorrect.

The ARRL has been pushing for a revision of the rules to
classify
signals by bandwidth rather than content, and to free up old
technical limitations. What other group has put forth such a
proposal?

What "other group" is there in the USA posing
as "representative
of 'all' amateurs?" [ain't none]

"You cannot answer a question with another question" - Len Anderson

What has the mighty league DONE in all its "pushing" since 1979?
It couldn't defeat Access BPL.

So? Neither could you. Nor any of the many others, amateurs and
professionals, who tried.

You probably wouldn't even know what BPL was if not for ARRL's
publicity efforts.

It couldn't get a whole band at 60 m.

There would be no amateur access to 60 meters at all without
ARRL. And the only reason a band was not authorized was that
NTIA drastically changed their policy after September 11, 2001.

It couldn't stop the IARU (and NCI) led REVISION of S25
at WRC-03.

ARRL did not try to! Back in early 2001, the ARRL BoD changed
policy, and decided not to oppose changing S25.5. That was
more than two years before WRC-2003.

It couldn't stop the FCC restructuring ELIMONATION
of 13 and 20 WPM morse code test rates.

"ELIMONATION"?

Actually, ARRL proposed the removal of the 20 wpm code
test and the reduction of the General class code test
to 5 wpm. *Before* FCC released that NPRM!

It couldn't stop the
FCC in cutting the number of new amateur radio license
classes in HALF.

Actually, ARRL proposed the reduction of license
classes from 6 to 4 *before* FCC released that NPRM!

CHANGE is happening but the league has become impotent
and represents only the olde-tyme, settled-in-their-ways core
membership.

That claim is simply incorrect.

For a quarter of a century the ARRL had done
little but brag about how good they are, yet still hasn't
increased their membership percentage of all licensed U.S.
radio amateurs.

That claim is incorrect.

US amateur radio is and has long been wide open for
new discoveries,
methods, devices, etc.. Particularly on VHF/UHF, where
there's lots of
bandwidth. You cannot blame the license requirements
for lack of
innovation, because the requirements for full VHF/UHF
privileges have
included no code test and only a minimal written test
for 14+ years.

The real "cult" or "religion" to watch for is the mindset that all
change is good, new is better than old, ending is better than
mending, and similar marketing buzzphrases.

Poor Believer. All radio amateurs desiring below-30-MHz
privileges "MUST" test for morsemanship...because it is the
FIRST mode in radio and all MUST keep the tradition and other
assorted maxims. Coupled (tightly) with the mighty League as
a "potent representative" of "all hams," all that non-
believers
have clear visibility to the CULT FOLLOWING of the MORSE
SECT.

Suppose FCC just dumps Element 1 tomorrow. Will we see a
techno-
revolution in ham radio? Not likely - it didn't happen after
the Tech
lost its code test.

WHERE is demonstrating ANYTHING in this "techno-
revolution?"

It's not up to me, Len. We've been told many times that dropping
the code test would bring in a lot of "technical people" who
would "revolutionize amateur radio". Hasn't happened.

Poor Believer. 2 out of 5 U.S. radio amateurs are Technician
Class licensees and they don't worship morsemanship!

So what?

It must be
a virtual hell for the arrogant and elite morsemen who don't
get
the respect and admiration they insist they deserve...tsk, tsk.

As opposed to the "virtual hell" of certain "arrogant and elite"
non-amateurs who don't get the respect and admiration they demand...

Do you know what JT65 is, Len?