"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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Jim Hampton wrote:
The HF bands are, many times, international in scope. This story is not
about the FCC, it is about international agreements.

What is said in the story is true; many 3rd world countries would love
80
meters as it would provide cheap communications (they don't have to pay
to
build all the infrastructure of a telephone system to cover their
country).
If the world community decides that 80/75 meters is to no longer be an
amateur allocations, the FCC will have nothing to say about it.

If the world decides and we decide to go along with it and...

If you look at cell phones, you might get an idea of the extent of the
problem. In developed countries, cell phones have become big business.
In
the U.S., every teenager "needs" one. It takes a lot of cell phone
towers
to provide service, not to mention ever increasing needs of frequencies.

I believe that when I was first licensed (in 1962) amateurs could use
any
frequency above 30 GHz. There was little gear that could function at
all at
that frequency and dx records could be measured in yards or a few miles.
Nowadays, there are some amateur bands intermingled with other segments
going up to 300 GHz, at which point amateurs can use anything above 300
GHz.
300 GHz in far infra-red light!

Somehow, communications devices are going to have to become more
efficient
at using available frequencies (amateurs included). Even assuming they
do
(and they have become more band-width friendly), there will be pressure
on
all users to use it (effectively) or loose it.

agreed which is agood resaon to stopp using Morse code and realy use HF

As to the FCC, they can easily reassign users at VHF and above as it
doesn't
carry world-wide. Those segments are also in jeopardy by big business.
Note that the Supreme Court ruled that local governments can exercise
their
right to take property (with compensation to the owners) and sell it to
someone else.

Big business and the Republicans rule.

Next time be careful of who you vote for.



73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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I doubt it HF is all but useless to the FCC they want peiecs of VHF
etc
John Smith wrote:
I think anyone over-looking the bigger picture has to suspect that
HF
will, rather quickly, be taken from amateurs. The abundance of
techs is
being created to drop the percentage of hams using HF. At some
point I
suspect a "move" will be made on these all important HF bands and
they
will be removed from amateur service.

I suspect that techs account for about 50% of activity on the bands
now--when that reaches 66%, and certainly 75%, I think HF will be
pulled...

Here is Hollingsworth on his "vision(s)", some may interpret it
differently:


http://www.wr6wr.com/newSite/article...longbeach.html

John



Other than PSK-31, name me a mode that takes less bandwidth than Morse code.

The silence is deafening.

Morse is very spectrum efficient; it only uses perhaps 100 Hertz (200 with
harsher keying to accommodate high speeds). SSB occupies up to 3,000 Hz,
enough room to accommodate 30 Morse QSOs. AM occupies more than twice the
space of SSB. FM occupies even more (which is why it is restricted to the
upper portion of 10 meters and VHF and above).

Your point about the world and "if the FCC decides to go along with it" has
no bearing. The FCC will have *nothing* to say about world-wide allocations
on HF and below. The United States is but one voice of many. Majority rule
s. The FCC can hand out authorizations based upon the framework of the
world agreements, but they can't step outside of that framework. Should the
world take away the 75/80 meter amateur allocation, the FCC could *not*
allocate those frequencies to American hams.

Of course, if you are a die-hard Republican, you either won't or can't
understand that concept. The spectrum below 30 MHz is decided between many
countries.

Unless, of course, those countries are hiding all those weapons of mass
destruction )) In that case, maybe we could get involved in a 10 or 20
year war. Good for business, I guess.



73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA