K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
b.b. (Brian P Burke, N0IMD) wrote:
an_old_friend (Mark C Morgan, KB9RQZ) wrote:
Hmm Brain responding to a post i haven't seen yet
Ya gotta love seeing Markie responding to Burke's posts calling
him "Brain"...
he doesn't mind
Sure he does.
BB say he oesn't
BTW nobody gotta love Stevie just because you say so
And where did I say so, Markie?
never said you said it
you hacked up the post enough so that I not sure but I think BB said
you gotta love Stevie
I disagreed
I do disagree with more folks that just yourself Stevie
The FCC could of course have allowed it to techs and frankly they
should have
Why?
Because it is a NoCode band and logicaly should not require a code test
to use it if code is forbidden
(A) It's not a "band". It's five discreet channels.
so?
(B) The mode restriction is due to other adjacent channel users
that we must dovetail with...Not due to any altruistic debate over
Morse Code use or testing.
and I am as cappable as they are or you are of using USB on the bands
or channels or whatever you care to call em
since Morse Code is forbidden there there is NO logical reason that
Morse Code test should be required in order to operate there, or at
worst a tech liecnsee with CSSE for the general writen test, should be
able to operate there
The 5Mhz channels still fall below 30Mhz.
So what?
Is it a newsflash to you that S25.2 has changed?
There is NO LEGAL magic at 30Mhz there was but no more
Sure there is.
Nope
YOU need to read how it's worded.
The international treat gives individual administrations the
OPTION of requiring code testing.
yes I know that
but given the only legal barriar to assgining freqs was the treaty the
FCC was free to assign them to tech's
If they can do that then there is NO legal magic
Indeed as BB has pointed out Techs are allowed to operate below 30mhz
NOW which you claim is illegal
You go read the rules before you lecture others
Guess what...?!?!
The United States is in compliance with the treaty.
Never said otherwise
There's a frequency, I think 5.170 off the top of my head, that all
amateurs in Alaska are allowed to use for emergencies. Includes
Technicians. Oooops. Violates the defunct treaty.
Several points:
(1) The exact frequency is 5167.5KHz...or 5.1675MHz if you
prefer) ...However it's restricted to stations (ALL FCC licensed
stations...) in or within 50 miles of the State of Alaska, and is
strictly for Emergency use only. One discreet channel. And it's not
an "Amateur" channel. Amateurs are allowed on this frequency as an
accomodation to safety. A real stretch to cite it as a "violation" of
any treaty.
(2) The treaty you refer to is NOT "defunct". It is still very
much in force. It HAS been ammended, however present United States
rules and regulations as they pertain to the treaty are in compliance
with said treaty.
so he should have defunct provision
What? Huh?
defunct provision
grow up
I have. And someday you will too. But not today, apparently.
nope you haven't
the United States STILL requires that an Amateur licensee to
have passed Element 1 to operate below 30Mhz.
No it does not
Yes, it does.
nope
Oh?
nope
Markie...You're either disagreeing for arguments sake, or you are
again demonstrating your absolute ignorance of United States policy as
it pertains to the Amateur Radio service.
niether of course I am disagreeing with YOUR despection of the LAWS of
the US
Or just lying again.
nope
it requires them to be tested on bands assigned to the
general and extra bands
Uh huh....Which are...?!?!
well known to you. till they are avalable to me I'll not bother to
learn
So...Got slapped around and now you gonna schlep away with your
tail between your legs!
Nursie learn anatomy
I don't know or care except in general terms what HF bands exist at
present those rules will likely change before i make any use of them
BBBWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
! ! ! ! ! !
crybaby
BELOW 30MHZ ! ! ! ! !
So what
So you're patently wrong again.
No I am not
QUICK, MARKIE! REVIEW TIME!
What are the four exceptions that allow a "Technician" to act as
control operator of an Amateur Radio station below 30MHz...?!?!?
none that apply to me
Absolutely correct.
and what I think you are referring isbad decision of the FCCto end
thech vs thech plus license
They only eneded their admistrative tracking of it. The license,
in practice, still exisits.
That is one way of looking at it.
BTW do you agree or disagree that whatever you said they did was a
mistake?
hopefully that mistake will be fixed
The FCC has clarly demonstrated that they are all about "less"
regulation and administrative burden...not more.
Then of course FCC should (from it's own point of view) go a one
license soloutaion
which would fix what I call a mistake
as would (as I understand the ARRL's proposal) the ARRL would fix this
by making all tech inclduing myself General License holder.
Thus I have hopes that this mistake will be fixed in some fashion
And WHAT common thread do each of those exceptions have in common
with the present Novice, General, Advanced and Extra class licensees?
so?
"so?" was the wrong answer. You lose.
no it wasn't but you don't know that
Now on to turth
Turth? Is that near Intercourse, Pennsylvania?
Nothing prevents the FCC from allowing hambands anywhere in the
spectrum and assigning them to Tech class, and allowing techs without
code tests to use them
NOTHING but tradition perhaps
And nothing but it's current policy that takes advantage of treaty
language that gives administrations the priviledge of determining their
own course.
Current Policy? You have reason to believe that S25.2 will be put back
into something like it older form
The treaty is LAW a part of the hisest law of the Land in the US (to
forgeiners well YMMV)
I DO agree that the FCC COULD have immediately enacted interim
"policy" that could have allowed licensees who pass the higher class
WRITTEN exams to exercise those privileges without the benefit of
passing Element 1 until it had been "officially" dealt with.
But they didn't, so it's still here. Oh well.
which misses the point of course
60m was a new (to us band or set of reqs or whatever) in setting the
rules they could have assigned to the tech class if they choose
Techs can use Morse Code on VHF and above. I knew one who did
Quitefine at it.
Techs can use Morse Code on HF, too. But hey, I thought YOU
insisted that SOMEone has chased all the Techs away...?!?!
indeed he has you chase them away not all stay away
I haven't chased anyone away, Markie. My VHF log has many, many
NCT's on 6 and 2M SSB.
liar you chssed me of for awhile
Another QuiteWrongLie it seems.
nope
Yep.
nope
Steve, K4YZ
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