On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:56:32 GMT, David wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:42:19 GMT, (Peter Newman)
wrote:
I started this thread talking about Muslims. But you are talking about
deforestation. I guess you don't realize that by desperately searching
for any suitable negative subject to justify your initial "crazy white
men" outburst, you are precisely confirming what I am saying - you are
entirely messed up. I hope it is not too late for you. You *can* fix
your brain up, but first you do need to be honest to yourself.
I say crazy white people are the reason the Muslims are ****ed.
The Muslims are not ****ed because of "crazy white people". They are
****ed with any of their neighbours regardless of colour, Indonesia,
Phillippines, Thailand, Sudan, etc. And Sunnis are ****ed with
Shiites. Islam's borders are bloody everywhere. Muslims are ****ed
precisely because their religion is making them so. But of course, you
like to blame the "crazy white man" for everything don't you. Makes
you feel oh so-o-o good!
Who gives the English the right to steal the Arab's oil?
What are you talking about? Are the English stealing the Arab's oil?
Where exactly? What a load of rubbish. As far as I know, the world
(including the English) are *buying* oil from the Arabs. For high
prices. And the Arabs, instead of them using their fortune wisely, are
mostly wasting it.
And don't you realize that without these "crazy white men", the Arabs
would not even know that oil exists and what to do with it?
But I was especially angry that Geoge Bush appointed another Howdy
Doodie looking cracker for the Supreme Nazi Court.
Frankly, I don't think you truly understand what "Nazi" means. I wish
you had to spend just one day under a real Nazi regime, to start fully
appreciating the society you have the priviledge living in. (Which
many other people would kill for, and which you don't deserve.)
In a Nazi society, you would go to a concentration camp for just
speaking against it. You really have no idea what you are talking
about.
http://www.esr.org/outreach/climate_...t/co2_temp.jpg
Global warming cyclical, says climate expert
By Philip Hopkins
June 13, 2005
Carbon dioxide is not a harmful gas and has helped produce the "green"
world agricultural revolution, according to an Australian climate
expert.
Rob Carter, from James Cook University in Townsville, said the rising
level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere in recent decades had
boosted agricultural crop yields.
"Carbon dioxide is the best aerial fertiliser we know about," he told
the Victorian Farmers Federation in Morwell late last week.
Professor Carter, a marine geologist, is research professor in the
university's Marine Geophysical Laboratory.
He said the Kyoto Protocol would cost billions, even trillions, of
dollars and would have a devastating effect on the economies of
countries that signed it. "It will deliver no significant cooling -
less than 0.02 degrees Celsius by 2050," he said.
"The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has been
the main scaremonger for the global warming lobby . . . Fatally, the
IPCC is a political, not a scientific body."
To understand climate change, it was necessary to look at the longer
record, he said.
Through an examination of material taken from deep below the ocean
floor, marine geologists could study layers of earth's history similar
to the way a tree's age could be determined by tree rings.
"We are in a relatively warm period today," he said. "But 20,000 years
ago, it was as cold as it has ever been - that was the peak of the
last glaciation."
Professor Carter said that over 2.5 million years there had been 50
glacial and interglacial periods. Of the past 400,000 years, the earth
had been colder for 90 per cent of the time, with briefer warmer
periods of about 10,000 years.
He said the earth was now at the end of a warmer period, and reputable
climate-change scientists agreed that the climate was going to get
colder. The debate was whether it would take tens, hundreds or even
thousands of years to occur.
On a shorter time scale, Professor Carter said the earth had broadly
got warmer in the modern period, from 1860 to 2000, although it had
also been warmer in Roman and medieval times. There had also been a
Little Ice Age between 1550 and the 19th century, when the Thames used
to freeze over.
A cooling trend took place between 1940 and 1970, when temperatures
began to rise again, reaching a peak in 1998. "This coincided with the
biggest El Nino in the 20th century," he said.
However, research by the climate research unit at East Anglia
University in Britain had shown that the average global temperature
had declined since 1998.
Professor Carter said greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide were not
causing the earth to warm up. On both annual and geological (up to
100,000-year) time scales, changes in temperature preceded changes in
carbon dioxide, he said. This was true even in the famous 1960-1991
graph showing rising amounts of carbon dioxide.
Professor Carter said that without the natural greenhouse effect, the
average earth temperature would be minus 18 degrees Celsius, compared
with the average of plus 15 Celsius that had nurtured the development
of life and civilisation.
Water vapour made up about 95 per cent of the greenhouse effect.
Carbon dioxide was a minor greenhouse gas, responsible for 3.6 per
cent of the total greenhouse effect, he said. Of this, only 0.12 per
cent, or 0.036 degrees Celsius, could be attributed to human activity.
Climate had always changed and "always will", he said. "The only
sensible thing to do about climate change is to prepare for it."