Dee:

If the only difference between NC tech, and tech+ is the code, and there
is is no longer a code test, would logic dictate that the plus'es can
still hold a greater privilege than a tech?

Now, why would logic dictate their being two classes of tech, when there
does not exist any difference between the classes? Often you see this kind
of insanity when the gov't becomes involved, you could argue that point, and there
are no more tech plus licenses being issued, you could also argue that
point.

However, I think just as valid an argument would be that tech plus was ok
for some HF, now there is no code, so tech is now ok for the same HF allowances.

However, I don't think you are going to find many who would care to argue
this point, there just is not enough interest in amateur radio at this point, and the
argument is something of a "time sensitive" issue, it would have to be argued
quickly--or not at all. As precedence is won by the dragging of the
feet...

John


On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 19:13:52 -0400, Dee Flint wrote:


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There is one loose end, though. I read the NPRM to say that Tech+
would
become closed, so that all new Techs would have to get element 3 to
get
on
HF, but others have read it that all Techs would get Tech+ privileges.
Does
anyone know which is right?

I read it as techs all tech end up with what amounts to what was once
called tech plus,

but anyone that claims to know what the result is likely to prove
themselves a lair


If you are talking about the US proposal, read the NPRM through a couple
of
times. They discuss this at great length. Techs will not get Tech+
privileges. Anyone who wants to increase their privileges will have to
take
a test. They specifically state that no one will get any changes in
privileges. That is also consistent with the way the paragraphs will be
reworded as shown in the appendix.

I have read it and read it and I come to the same conclusion

Finally, one of the posters on eHam called the FCC on this and asked for
and
got clarification. He was told that Techs will not get Tech+ privileges.
It is indeed the FCC's position that anyone desiring more than their
current
privileges must take the appropriate written test.

so what?

It is unlikely that you are going to get anyone on the phone able to
speak for the what the R&O will say before even the end of the coment
period

indeed that issue is the only mystery left,

after all we are assued that No one loses previdges as well, and if all
the langauge that is said to be delected is delected then the old tech
plus folks lose HF access


Nope. The paragraph that gives Tech+ their HF access is unchanged. Look at
the appendix. It shows what paragraphs they are planning to change and what
the projected wording is. The Tech+ paragraph is untouched and left to
stand as is.

The lang is badly worded, and frankly I suspect ones reading depends on
wether you look at rules in the light all not forbidden is allowed or
all not expressly allowed is forbidden


Nope. It is very clear on which paragraphs they propose to change and what
the proposed wording is. The paragraph that grants Tech+ the Novice HF
privileges has no changes proposed.

I hope (nearly said I trsut but though better of it) the FCC will make
that one point clear in the R&O


The problem with the NPRM is simply its extensive discussion, which does get
rather wordy but is explicit if one reads it. The revised paragraphs for
Part 97 listed at the end of the NPRM are quite clear.

I originally was confused too but comparing the new text to the old text
clarified the situation. That comparison put the lengthy discussion into
perspective and clarified it a great deal.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE