John Smith wrote:

If the only difference between NC tech, and tech+ is the
code, and there
is is no longer a code test, would logic dictate that the
plus'es can
still hold a greater privilege than a tech?

The FCC's logic says "YES!"

Now, why would logic dictate their being two classes of
tech, when there
does not exist any difference between the classes?

But there *does* exist a difference!

Techs who have passed a code test have some HF privileges
now - today - under current rules.

Techs who have not passed a code test have no HF privileges
now - today - under current rules.

The FCC makes it clear that they do not want any current
licensee to gain or lose privileges simply because of the
proposed changes.

Therefore, if the proposal is enacted, the two types of
Techs (code tested and non code tested) will continue to
exist, with the difference in privileges, even if there's
no longer a code test, and even after the last Tech Plus
expires, upgrades, or is renewed as Tech.

Often you see this kind of insanity when the gov't
becomes involved, you could argue that point, and there
are no more tech plus licenses being issued, you could
also argue that point.

It's not "insanity" at all. It's the only way to satisfy
all the requirements listed above.

However, I think just as valid an argument would be that tech
plus was ok
for some HF, now there is no code, so tech is now ok for the
same HF allowances.

That would violate the principle of no additional privs without
the appropriate test, whoch the FCC repeatedly supports in the
NPRM document.

However, I don't think you are going to find many who would
care to argue
this point, there just is not enough interest in amateur radio at this point, and the
argument is something of a "time sensitive" issue, it would
have to be argued
quickly--or not at all. As precedence is won by the dragging of the feet...

You can argue it all you want. Comments don't close for weeks yet.

If anyone actually bothers to read the NPRM, they'll see that
FCC repeatedly mentions how easy it is for existing licensees
to get more privileges by passing only written tests. FCC also
mentions repeatedly how, if the NPRM is enacted, all nonExtras
will be able to get more privileges by taking a few written
tests. They even mention how many correct answers are needed.

FCC also repeatedly mentions their support for spectrum as an
incentive to upgrading, and how free upgrades act as a
disincentive.

Do you not like the idea of a VHF/UHF-only entry-level license,
with HF held out as an incentive for more *written* testing?

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Just think - under the new system, all new hams will have access to all
of amateur VHF/UHF, all modes, and full authorized power.

Those who go on to General will have most HF privileges too, with small
parts of 4 HF bands reserved for Extras.

Be careful what you ask for - you may just get it.