N2EY:

From my experience here and on the bands, it is obvious the MAJOR MAJORITY
of hams are vastly behind the times, I think your small group here, and
your "net buddies" are all in agreement, I am also quite sure that hams
fearful of what they don't understand are going around crying "wolf."

You won't find any in the computer industry with these strange and bizarre
views you guys have here...

Course, everyone knows, a "hobby amateur license" makes hams some kinda
"damn authority", unfortunately, one which makes up the truth... who was
that newscaster who got fired for doing that?

John

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:12:39 -0700, N2EY wrote:

Michael Coslo wrote:
Jim Hampton wrote:
If you have been around this group for over a year, you would have seen
links to some of W1RFI's work. There are different BPL standards
(apparently) now. A link had been posted in this group quite some time ago
(perhaps a year?) which allowed folks to view the video of some of W1RFI's
work. What he found was a tremendous amount of interference caused by BPL.
Interference that did not stop at the ends of the amateur bands.

He and the ARRL staff have produced detailed reports based on
observations and
measurements as well as simulations and models.

He's also gone around the country banging the drum about BPL. W3RV got
him to come to Philly and do his presentation here, to a packed house.
I had the pleasure of metting Ed and seeing the presentation.

BPL has one and only one selling point: If you have BPL service, you
can plug your computer into any power outlet in your house - or your
neighbor's house, if it's served - and get a highspeed connection. It's
a 'last mile' delivery system, nothing more.

I have not seen W1RFI post in quite some time. I suspect he is tired of the
tirades of some uninformed individuals as well as promises of some as to how
advantageous certain unlicensed bands are. Not that information was
incorrect, just that much was omitted.

He's also busy as all get-out. Plus too many folks assume that since he
works at Hq., that he must march lockstep with ARRL policy. That's not
the case at all,
but after a while it's clear that some folks are immune to certain
facts.

A lot of good folks have left this group as the bickering keeps getting
worse.

Naw, the bickering has always been here. You can find posts five and
more years
old - from both sides - that look the same as today's. WA6VSE used to
among the worst - then he mellowed and became quite well mannered even
if you disagree with him totally. I think the change was due to his
upgrading to Extra and getting a vanity call....;-)

You continue to miss the fact that at least some of the BPL that was
demonstrated *does* cause harmful interference. You suggest that the fact
that it interferes with amateur radio means nothing whilst you neglect that
it *does* interfere with other licensed services (I believe I mentioned
channel 2 and 3 television, but there are many more services that it can
affect).

BPL is proven to interfere with amateur radio services. Proof is
available to anyone who seeks it. The idea that it doesn't is a
political one, such as faith based science ("Toto, I think we lost
Kansas!") global warming (If the world isn't warming up, fine! I'll
accept that. Now tell me *how* the atmosphere is coping with the
greenhouse gas load) and other bafflegab. Give me scientific reasons,
not accuse me of being a liberal or something because I don't agree with
your bad politically motivated science.

Shall I tell the lightbulb joke again?

It is posts such as yours that seem more intent upon trolling than engaging
in meaningful discussion that tend to upset some folks. By trolling I mean
that you post with a leading subject line and ignore a lot of facts (as if
BPL couldn't cause a problem with other services).

Better yet, there's the technique of tossing in stuff that's provably
wrong. Like
misquotes of what people wrote, errors of fact, etc.

Well, yeah Jim! Lets see we have an "anony- mousie" who is pretty good
at spouting off. Lot's of opinions, and ridicule to all who might
disagree with (him?). Sounds like a major troll to me.

Please don't feed the trolls.

I wonder why Len doesn't have any trouble with this anony-mousie? Seems
all the others arouse his ire..... ;^)

Because he's against the code test, against the ARRL, against
conventional ham radio, and because he *never* disagrees with Len.

All anyone has to do is disagree with Len, and they get the treatment.
Worse,
if the actually prove him wrong about something (like whether it's
legal to
operate with an expired-but-in-the-grace-period license) he really goes
ballistic. So predictable it's not worth bothering about.

73 de Jim, N2EY