-=jd=- wrote:

On Fri 12 Aug 2005 04:49:04p, yachtboy! wrote in
message :

On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:15:25 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

On Fri 12 Aug 2005 03:07:25p, yachtboy! wrote in
message :

If there weren't any wmd in Iraq, and it was ossama who masterminded
9/11, why are we in Iraq?
I would be interested in details, not RNC talking points.




Think about it... Let's start at a high level and see if you can reason
it to a logical, strategic conclusion.

You want to combat and curtail radical islamic terrorism (at least) to a
tolerable level. How are you going to accomplish that?

Let's see if you can come up with anything other than DNC talking
points... That means you will likely have to use a bit of common sense
and substantive logic, rather than emotional, symbolic, vitriolic
rhetoric.

-=jd=-

So the leader of our country lies to the people to get them involved
in a war that is an extreme case of "the end justifies the means"?



So you are choosing to stick to the DNC talking points then? I should have
expected as much...

Ok, now let's answer the question. We need to fight them on their own
turf. You can't fight them militarily and win, as Iraq has proved. You
can't go around invading countries, cause either they move next door (as
in Afghanistan, they moved to Pakistan) or they run circles around our
bureaucratic military (Iraq). We need better propaganda. We need to fire
Pattiz and return the VOA to its Cold War self, except in Arabic and
Middle Eastern languages instead of Russian. We need a Radio Free Islam.
We need an effective satellite news service, not Al Houri (very lame and
obvious) but something that looks and sounds reasonable to the average
Arab, sort of a black clandestine Al Jazeera. We need to convince the
average Saudi that American democracy is better than Arab
totalitarianism. If we lose the House of Saud or Hosni Mubarak in the
process, so what, we just ally ourselves with the new leaders. We need
Radio Free Islam to broadcast sermons by liberal imams that use the
Quran to say that suicide bombing is wrong and that liberal democracy
and freedom for both men and women is right. We need RFI to broadcast
prayers for peace and freedom, to compete with the Saudi shortwave
service. If I can figure this out, why can't Bush? Bush seems to be
snakebit in everything he does-it's either ineffective or backfires.
He's so cocooned in his hermetically sealed world of privilege and
power, and the CIA is so entrenched in bureaucracy, that they can't
concieve of how to really win this war except to turn America into a New
Rome that will crush everybody, domestic and foreign, who opposes them.
That simply won't work. Rome eventually was overrun by barbarians, and
the New Rome doesn't have much of a chance to get off the ground.


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