From: "Dan/W4NTI" on Tues 16 Aug 2005 20:55

Responding once again the IGNORANCE of Lennie the loser........

Tsk, sill not playing well with others, lil Dannie...


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From: "Dan/W4NTI" on Mon, Aug 15 2005 4:53 pm

Lennie,

Scroll down dipweed.

Now, now, you are NOT Playing Well With Others, lil Dannie. :-)

Poor Dannie Disabled, has to insult everyone disagreeing with
him. Tsk, tsk.

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Mike Coslo" wrote in message
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"an old friend" wrote in message
Dan/W4NTI wrote:

Playing with ham radios while on field maneauvers of a U.S. Army
armor unit? For "Army business?" HIGHLY UNLIKELY!!!

The Commanding Officer at that time didn't have a problem with it. In fact
he enjoyed watching me break out the leg key and work some ham stations all
around the world. This during the times when we had NO HF COMMO, which as I
stated before was quite regular. I used the GRC-106A setup in the Command
Track. He liked it so much he eventually got his own license.

Well, anyone IN the military has to obey their superior
officers or face disciplinary action...at worst being in a
courts martial under the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military
Justice...applies to ALL branches).

If your CO said it was okay, then you had to accept that. There
is NOTHING specific in the UCMJ or ARs or SRs (Army Regulations,
Special Regulations) that covers "amateur radio ops" while on
duty in an armor unit field exercise. However, there's a heap
of very pertinent ARs and SRs, plus directives, plus COMSEC
specific directives (COMSEC = COMmunications SECurity, a generic
term that came in later than 1972 but existed under other names
before then) that say one has to do Army business on Army time
and communications ABOUT Army business over unsecure civilian,
especially foreign, communications facilities can be taken as
a violation (see Treasonous acts under UCMJ) of national security.

But, something ELSE operative here. Note: Your CO gave you
permission to operate. On another thread in here, some time
ago, Brian Burke was given permission by HIS CO to operate
amateur radio from a foreign land. Now all the JAG-wannabes
in here (PCTAs all) jumped all over Brian's case on that,
citing absolutely NOTHING germane, one (a "seven-hostile-action"
hero) even implying that the UCMJ didn't apply, only the FCC
regulations applied (they don't but the shell-shocked murine
didn't understand that).

Under the terms of the Kangaroo Kourt of the PCTAs:

If Brian Burke is guilty of improper amateur radio operation,
then Dan Jeswald is EQUALLY GUILTY of doing so from Germany.

If Dan Jeswald is not guilty, then Brian Burke is not guilty.

It's the SAME SORT of "OFFENSE" as codified by the PCTA.


Because YOU didn't see it. Because YOU
have NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT AMATEUR RADIO other than what you conjure up in
your
distorted mind?

Take a trank, Dannie Disabled, settle down.

I realize that YOU think ham radio is super-secret stuff which
can't be revealed to the outside world, but that is NOT so.
But, you are totally confusing ARMY communications with your
ham hobby activies and that is NOT good for the U.S. Army.


I think you are in need of the "trank" Lennie, I have NEVER said, or
thought, that Ham radio is "super-secret" stuff. I have no idea where that
comes from.

It comes from YOU, Dannie. That first quote above (marked with
three right-arrows). You say that I "have no knowledge about
amateur radio other than what I conjure up in my distorted
mind."

Amateur radio knowledge, practice, communications are all very,
very PUBLIC knowledge. Magazines and books about it exist all
over the world. NOTHING of it is secret (with possible exception
of certain rooms in Newington). Tsk, tsk, even I was a staffer
on Ham Radio magazine without having an amateur radio license.
I know several licensed radio amateurs, one of which was the
Best Man at my wedding, have communicated with others over
amateur radios (as "third party" activity), sat in on a few
ham club meetings. NO national security laws apply to amateur
radio, no radio amateur is "sworn to silence" about any amateur
radio activity.


A Handi Talky made by Standard Communications was available, its
nomenclature was SRC-146A.

That must have been its CIVILIAN model designation. The "SCR"
nomenclature ceased about 1945 along with the "BC" specific
item nomenclature. No doubt you will say "the Army bought it
for you?" :-)

Of course it was a CIVILIAN model designation. I never said it was a
military radio.
As usual, you just assumed. You do that a lot Lennie.

No, I didn't "assume" anything. I simply pointed out a very old
FACT of U.S. military radio nomenclature. Why do you wish to
argue such old facts?

Was this ham HT purchased by yourself or was it given to you
by the U.S. Army?


The German repeaters ALL operated with a "whistle up" tone access. Just
whistle it up and start to talk. Of course a Amateur Radio license was
required. And a German call. Mine was DA2LJ.

Did you communicate Army information over a German CIVILIAN
amateur radio repeater? [M.I. wants to know...]

There you are showing your IGNORANCE AGAIN LENNIE. Why would I communicate
Military information on a Amateur Radio frequency.

I don't know "why," Dannie...that's what MILITARY INTELLIGENCE
("M.I.") might want to know in interests of U.S. national
security. You certainly had OPPORTUNITY. You now display
considerable emotional volatility. I don't know your political
mindset...other than what appears in here as a staunch
conservative.

All of the above can be a COVER. :-)


Not a problem at all. I showed my CO the German License, my US License,
and my MARS license. And after he seen it in action, he told me to KEEP
bringing it.

Right...and your "CO" never checked up on that, ever? ASA
didn't check up on you? [ASA was still in existance in 1972]

No reason to Lennie. I was perfectly legal by both German and US Military
rules and regulations.

Colonel Rudolph Abel, KGB, was living in NYC, being "perfectly legal
to outward appearances," posing as an artist who had "ham radio for
a hobby." Only thing was that he was NOT "perfectly legal" after
an investigation. He was arrested, tried, convicted...later
exchanged
for U-2 spy plane pilot Francis Gary Powers.

Being close to "unfriendly territory" was not a problem at all. You NOT
BEING a ham of course, would not comprehend these things.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. I was NEVER in Bavaria in the 1970s. But, I was
IN the U.S. Army in the 1950s and as a civilian engineer working
for civilian contractors engaged in Department of Defense contract
work from the late 1950s on through to 1989. Dannie Disabled,
I've had a bit MORE investigation by the U.S. government on
SECURITY matters (including background checks for Top Secret
and "Q") for the simple reason that I've been around longer than
you have. Don't try this Tuff Guy bull**** with me.

Starting to get defensive eh Loser?

No, just reminding you that I've DONE military communications
at a communications station...BEFORE you did...and with LOTS
MORE radio equipment. The ACAN-STARCOM-DCS worked HF around
the world without any big problem in "frequency assignments."


Wow, real Tuff Guy stuff. I'll bet you tell some dandy "field
action stories" down at the Legion hall.

Well I guess from your point of view, a commando of the commo room, you
would think that was a war story. We call your type a REMF.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. "We" call your type just a MF. :-)

You forget one thing. ALL soldiers in the U.S. Army are trained
to, and expected to, "close with and destroy the enemy." Signal
Corps doesn't have fancy Tonka Toy tracked vehicles, but we were
expected to fight on foot if needs be.

The Defense Communications System never had any problem with
HF allocations...it ran 24/7 until all the HF message routes
were replaced by other, faster message routes. That was in
the 1970s to the 1980s...a transition time for all the U.S.
military getting the start to the DSN (Digital Switched Network),
the government's own Internet (as some call it).


There it is guys, Lennie showing not his ignorance, but his stupidity.
He
sits there in front of his keys and decides everything based on incorrect
assessments. What a world class dumbass.

Score another "doesn't play well with others" on Dannie Disabled's
record jacket.

Do you remember the Vietnam War Lennie? The US Army in Europe was at the
bottom of the list on new goodies. You can figure that out, right? Now
let me address your ignorance further;

I remember ALL the wars the United States had since 1941. I was
alive all that time. After 1960 my military service obligation
was over when I received my Honorable Discharge from the United
States Army. Good and bad...my employer could now send me on
field engineer assignments, unworried that I would be suddenly
mobilized.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. You should have reported all that to your Armor unit
CO and had that investigated!!! [but, with your ham licenses, you
"knew more" than any damn commissioned ossifers did, dint ya?]

Not even you believe you said that.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...you just said your CO got his own ham ticket
after watching you play with your KY-116 on your knee... :-)



We were field units Lennie. We didn't have air conditioned vans and sit in
parking lots in Heilderburg. All we had available was HF SSB/AM/CW/RATT,
VHF FM Low Band.

heh heh heh...I'm familiar with Field Radio, Danny Disabled.
In my time, my battalion also was the keeper of two dozen
AN/GRC-26s ("a shack in the back" in a hut on a deuce and a
half)...HF, with the ONLY "air conditioning" in the hut being
simple fans for "cooling" and the radios' heat for "heating."


No kidding, again you can't seem to follow along Lennie. We are talking
about the ARMY in the 70s and your total ignorance of commo systems in use
and everything about Ham Radio. Next.

Tsk. Take that trank, Dannie, you are getting all flustered.

"Total ignorance of commo systems in use?" :-)

Now, now, don't tell me you "worked" the entire DCS of USAEUR
out of your "shack onna track" and "knew it all." :-)

Sweetums, after being IN ACAN-STARCOM-DCS nearly 20 years
BEFORE you, I KNEW much more than any ordinary Field Radio
MOS out in some boonies. Not only that, I've kept up with
it from the 70s onward, have the public documentation, and
know what is used TODAY, not 33 years ago.

The most reliable commo was usually on the 40 mhz range FM VRC-12 units.

[went OBSOLETE a long time ago...]

So did the AN/GRC-106A which went operational about 1969, being
replaced by the IHFR (Improved High Frequency Radio) AN/PRC-104
and its GRC, VRC variants using the same R/T in the period 1986
to 1990. There's still about 1700 or so GRC-106s at Tobeyhanna,
shipped out/exchanged for various old military/government uses
now and then.


Was YOUR unit so 'special that you "needed" comms direct with
SHAEF Hq? :-)

Had no need whatsoever to communicate with Belgium. We were a field unit.
We just followed instructions and did the job.

...using Ham Radio. Yeah, some "job."


In other words you don't know a damn thing about what I am talking about.
Why don't you just shut up and stick with what you know and quite trying to
act like some know it all Lennie?

I don't know it all. I DO know more about the world's
communications
means than you do. shrug


of all not me. I could care less about Tokyo, etc. WE are TALKING about
GERMANY in the 70s.

"We?" You mean YOU. I could care less about Germany of the 1970s.

Well, maybe a little of the Berlin scene of now...like how has
the area around the Ku-damm changed? :-)

Where do you get this crap from Lennie? Have you had the screw tightned on
your head yet ?

Tsk, tsk...more "civil discurse" from Dannie Disabled...


There is NO SUCH THING MORON. Tighten that screw a bit more, you need it.

Well, there ya go, making them civil discurses again...tsk.


I would like to apologize to all those, except Lennie, reading this tripe.
I am obviously dealing with someone (Len Anderson) that is not quite right
in the head, and possible mentally ill. His ability to reason is suspect
also.

Poor Dannie Disabled. Like Stebie da wundermurine, he calls all
who disagree with him "not right in the head." Not a good grasp
of reality, that.

I see no reason in continuing this debate with someone that is so incumbered
by his lack of knowledge and common sense.

Poor Dannie didn't get the reply he wanted. Boo hoo.

Prolly didn't get the Hero medals from defending the Fulda Gap
from onslaughts of Soviet armor, fighting heroically with his
ham HT saving the battalion (and his CO). [it's beginning to
sound like Dannie's prose is looking more like a very bad carbon
copy of a Tom Clancy novel first draft...]

tom cop