Dee:

There are naturally gifted teachers, but they are not all that common
place, the rest need some formal training, and some will never be
teachers. From personal experience, I have grown to think the very
worst--think themselves the very best--with some, no amount of real world
proof will get the point across that they need to adjust their teaching
method, for this reason, some should NOT have tenure.

What is true knowledge and what is just personal dislikes, opinions and
beliefs is a real problem to, unless you have a strong ability to keep
the two separated, science and religion, you are going to have great
difficulty with any but avg and below avg students--they know the
difference.

There are bandwidth allocations, math formulas dealing with electronic
circuits, regulations in the FCC rules, etc.--and then there is "style."
If you attempt to teach your "style", be prepared to be frustrated--some
will accept it to be nice--then go about their business, others will need
religion and are searching for purpose and acceptance and will adopt
it--and, yet again, others may think you a control freak... but you have
seen this in the real world about you and I waste both our time
reiterating such...

John


On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:37:16 -0400, Dee Flint wrote:


"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message
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"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
hlink.net...

There it is. Proof that "Incentive licensing" has caused hate and
discontent in Ham Radio. I've said it for years. And here it is.

Dan/W4NTI

Dan ... at last we agree!!!!!!

We *MUST* eliminate this "I'm better than you because (pick one of the
following, or any other reason ... "I have a higher class license." or "I
passed an xx wpm Morse test.") - class warfare.

We are ALL hams ... period. Some are more experienced. They SHOULD be
Elmering (and Elmering doesn't mean "browbeating them into your personal
preferences") the newbies and HELPING them to learn (whatever they want
to) about ham radio, rather than "dising" them and treating them like
dirt.

This stuff has GOT to stop!

73,
Carl - wk3c
http://home.ptd.net/~wk3c



Sure does......most of the newcomers are into learning. Most of the
newcomers do want to be Elmered. However......some of the newcomers need
an attitude adjustment. Most of them are here it seems.

You raise a good point, Dan. Elmering is good. Being a willing student is
good. You must have both for it to work. Many new Hams do not want to feel
inferior. I don't know if it is the first generation of "high self esteem"
students hitting adulthood or what. But there are a number of newbies out
there that bristle when offered advice. And I do know how to offer advice
in a kindly manner.


I think this "protect their self esteem at all costs" approach was badly
mishandled. While one should never put down a person, they do need guidance
and it has to be pointed out that mistakes are mistakes. Because these
students were protected from their mistakes and told it was OK, in the end,
I believe that they end up with lower self-esteem. They do often realize
that they've made a mistake but the fact that no one points it out or helps
them correct it transfroms in their minds into the concept that they are so
lowly that they aren't worth helping. This is a bigger hit on their self
esteem than anything I can think of.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE