an_old_friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

an Old friend wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:


an Old friend wrote:


Dave Heil wrote:



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Why don't you exercise some civility and self-control?


I am I am in full control of myself, and the object of the address has
stated that she does not find it offensive or insulting

...and you have no thought at all for anyone else who might find it
offensive or insulting.


then don't read it was targeted for you anyway

Let's see. It was targeted for me...but I shouldn't read it. Right?


wasn't targeted for was a reply to Dee the elitsit bitch in question
but nobody said you should or couldn't read it


You have no right not to be offended

You have no right to offend.

I certainly do have that right.

If I'm sitting on a porch and you approach and utter a string of
vulgarities, you believe your are within your rights? Your rights end
where mine begin.

prehaps we begin to see some the real differences between us.

Oh, take my word for it, Mark, there of loads and loads of differences
between you and me.

I believe in personal freedom and personal responiblit, you believe in
some version of the Nanny sociality

I disagree. You believe in personal freedom with no strings and no
personal responsibility. You believe you can do what you want and say
what you want and write what you want with no consequences to yourself.

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cuting the non responivie response


In using that form of address I choose to be honest about my assement
of the target, and to state so plainly (avoiding it here since I am
addressing you so I show my thoughtfullness for everyone else)

This newsgroup is public. All posts can be viewed by anyone. Do you
have disrespect for everyone?


you are not making sense

I understand that the term is alien to you. Since anything you write
here can be seen by anyone, and there is no warning as to message
content, do you have disrespect for everyone. In other words, if
someone who is not your "intended target" should read your post and take
offense, do you care?

but then you don't believe in honesty, nor that any one but you (and
those that agree with you) has the right to express their opinions
freely

I can't accept lectures in honesty from an admitted liar.

if you were offended then of course be offended, that is your right,
and I will never try and take it away from you.

I will make suggestions to help you avoid being offended, but they are
strictly for your considerations.

another choice you could make is to kill file all my posts then they
would not offend you,

If folks who knew nothing of the types of things you write were to open
and read one of your posts, how would they know in advance that they
should have killfiled you?

Just trying to be helpfull of course


you have no thought for offending folks yourself why should I be held
to higher standard than you.

I've never called anyone the names you used.cut


No you call me a freak, you try to dengrate my religion, and in general
show a lack of respect for me, always have.

Okay, Mark. In my book, you are no longer an S&M freak but a
pracitioner of the Sado-Masochistic arts. As to respect, I'll be happy
to respect you when you've demonstrated respect for others. I don't
have a lot of respect for cries of "lier, lier", "idoit", "sh-t" or
"f--k". I'm also not big on respecting those who claim a special class
of victimhood.

But I think I said this to Hans, you lack the right to determine what
insults I will use at in turn. since she chose to me insulting, I
choose my reply. when you choose to be insulting to me I choose what to
reply with

Dee was not being insulting and you lack the ability to know the
difference. At no time did she call you any names.

cut I've never conducted a
campaign of lies directed at anyone.cut


Neither have I, I have simply dared to disagree with you

Mark, you constructed a series of malicious lies directed at me and
you've still not admitted it despite being confronted with evidence
which proves that you lied.

cut How do you think you are being
held to a higher standard.cut


by your demands I respect your beliefs when you refuse to respect mine

I don't care if you respect my beliefs or not. I expect you to observe
some decorum and to act like an adult who is in control of his faculties.

cut In just the past couple of days, you've gone
way overboard on a couple of issues.


Prehaps in your judemental opinion

Others' posts show that your writings were seen to be excessive. Are we
all possessed of judgemental opinion or are we all liars?

but again If I am going over the Top as you say that is my right too

There you go with your rights, Mark. Others have rights as well.

"cuting more markie bs in response to his cuts"

cuting more Davie bs


I will now remind you of the word of the figure you call the Lord God,
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" the Gospel according
Matthew I believe.

risking being held over bearing (but claiming full licesen after your
efforts to lecture me about my religion) I will point that many
religous scholars hold this as a injuction against comdeming, since
(accrdoing to Christain faith) we are all sinners

You failure to follow the teachings of your faith, while seeking to ram
your morality down my throat is one of the reasons I refuse to trust
you, and decline your "Challenge"

You can't use my faith, something in which you do not believe, against
me. My religion also teaches about recognizing evil, not embracing it.
I don't believe that every view is valid, that there is no right or
wrong. In fact, you practice a number of things which my religion
considers abhorrent.

What do your gods teach?


that heterosexuality and homosexuality are preverse, amoug other
things, that decide who you wil love solely by what is between there
legs is obsense

That's quite a mouthful, Mark. Both heterosexuality and homosexuality
are perverse? Well then, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

That last part is pretty strange. You believe that a woman is a woman
based on her genitals? Can that be right? And your gods teach you this?

That it is proper to reuturn harm to sender 3 fold

So, if you take offense to anything someone did or wrote you could, for
example, begin a malicious campaign of utter lies directed toward that
individual. Would that be right?

none of this BTW is proper for the forum we are in but there you have
it

It's pretty bad, but I suppose it could have been worse.

But we are in the USA and I have the right to believe as I choose. I
have the right to practice my faith as I see fit

That's right, Mark. We're in a land turned upside-down. You can
believe any damned thing you want and do almost anything you want and
you can claim that it is normal. You can become a victim and even
receive special treatment because of it.

It was all set up in your favor, Mark, the odds, the reporting of scores
to ARRL, monitoring of my activity but no monitoring of your activity,
your use of PC and code reading software.


but it doesn't anything if I don't trust you, and I don't trust you

...and you don't trust the ARRL and you don't trust the monitors you and
I would agree on cut


I don't trust the ARRL, I have said so a number of times, I don't trust
you to adibe by them

You're probably wise. There's probably a guy at League HQ whose sole
job is to fix contest score bets in favor of high speed morse ops.

and you don't trust yourself to do well.


My abilty never comes to it, if I can't rust the condictions of the
tests wether I can pass it matters not

You can't expect that anyone will believe that it is the conditions set
out that cause you to decide not to participate. Nobody is going to
believe that two or three independent monitors and the ARRL are going in
collusion to prevent you from winning a bet. Sure, your knowledge of
your own ability came into play.

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The catch is you don't tell the turth and so I don't believe you

Every word I've told you is the truth. I've publicly offered the
challenge here. I've offered for my operation to be monitored.
How much spine do you have? How much of an advantage do you need?
Think of your recent postings about how you could identify a morse
distress call and handle the message traffic using your PC and
code-reading software. Doesn't your self-respect enter into this?


I don't beleive you, it is as simple as that.

...and you don't believe in any of the safeguards I've offered you.
My operation would be monitored. Yours would not.


are you dumb I don't trust you abide the results how many times must I
repeat that before you accept the statement

....and you believe that monitors agreed upon by you *and* the American
Radio Relay League's scoring would be fixed in my favor.

I don't beleive you'd ever accept the results if they work in my favor

The scores would be published. The number of QSOs made by each station
would be a part of that record.


so?

you will evade or deny the results if it suits you

How does one evade or deny published results? How would one evade or
deny based upon the word of those monitoring my station?

Your apporeval is not needed by me for my self respect (thank god)

cuting you continued abuse of my religous freedom

cutting the rest of your weak diatribe. Two can play that game.

Dave K8MN