Dave Heil wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

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I certainly do have that right.

If I'm sitting on a porch and you approach and utter a string of
vulgarities, you believe your are within your rights? Your rights end
where mine begin.

walking down the public street yes of course
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I believe in personal freedom and personal responiblit, you believe in
some version of the Nanny sociality

I disagree. You believe in personal freedom with no strings and no
personal responsibility.

again you lie, but i do beleive I have no respoiblity for your feeling
being hurt

You believe you can do what you want and say
what you want and write what you want with no consequences to yourself.

well exceptping speech like screaming "fire" in crowd, or calling for
all of X group to be put to death or denied there right, you got that
pretty close

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In using that form of address I choose to be honest about my assement
of the target, and to state so plainly (avoiding it here since I am
addressing you so I show my thoughtfullness for everyone else)

This newsgroup is public. All posts can be viewed by anyone. Do you
have disrespect for everyone?


you are not making sense

I understand that the term is alien to you. CUT

It is not

CUT Since anything you write
here can be seen by anyone, and there is no warning as to message
content, do you have disrespect for everyone.CUT

I don't have to, but I may choose to. I owe you no respect, you show me
nothing but disrespect. Do you have to? no but you choose to. I have
that same right


CUT In other words, if
someone who is not your "intended target" should read your post and take
offense, do you care?

not exactly, I don't care if anyone at all including the target
audience reads and takes offense, just as you don't at offending me and
others


but then you don't believe in honesty, nor that any one but you (and
those that agree with you) has the right to express their opinions
freely

I can't accept lectures in honesty from an admitted liar.

then you refuse to accept the testimony of an expert

after all only when one is freed from the tranny of lies many of tell
everyday, can one realy look at what truth is

if you were offended then of course be offended, that is your right,
and I will never try and take it away from you.

I will make suggestions to help you avoid being offended, but they are
strictly for your considerations.

another choice you could make is to kill file all my posts then they
would not offend you,

If folks who knew nothing of the types of things you write were to open
and read one of your posts, how would they know in advance that they
should have killfiled you?

not my problem I was offering you adivice on avoiding offfense for
yourself

Just trying to be helpfull of course


you have no thought for offending folks yourself why should I be held
to higher standard than you.

I've never called anyone the names you used.cut


No you call me a freak, you try to dengrate my religion, and in general
show a lack of respect for me, always have.

Okay, Mark. In my book, you are no longer an S&M freak but a
pracitioner of the Sado-Masochistic arts.

beter would be to avoid mention it at all at least till you can say
what it has to with the ARS
As to respect, I'll be happy
to respect you when you've demonstrated respect for others.

But I do demostrate it, for those that earn it.


I don't
have a lot of respect for cries of "lier, lier", "idoit", "sh-t" or
"f--k".

again showing your lack of belief in the first amendment

I'm also not big on respecting those who claim a special class
of victimhood.

But I think I said this to Hans, you lack the right to determine what
insults I will use at in turn. since she chose to me insulting, I
choose my reply. when you choose to be insulting to me I choose what to
reply with

Dee was not being insulting and you lack the ability to know the
difference.

I have found most of her content insulting, I finaly decided she had
exceedd my tolerance for her crap


At no time did she call you any names.

Name calling is not the sole paramiter of insulting behavoir




cut I've never conducted a
campaign of lies directed at anyone.cut


Neither have I, I have simply dared to disagree with you

Mark, you constructed a series of malicious lies directed at me and
you've still not admitted it despite being confronted with evidence
which proves that you lied.

No I have not

I have reported on my result from a google search that you insisted I
should do. that you disgree with my reading of your posting is not
evidence I am lying when I describe them as I see em


cut How do you think you are being
held to a higher standard.cut


by your demands I respect your beliefs when you refuse to respect mine

I don't care if you respect my beliefs or not.

you are lying, you may not realize it but you areI get to showing it in
a sec

I expect you to observe
some decorum and to act like an adult who is in control of his faculties.

You expect I conform to YOUR standards to your beliefs. IOW you demnd I
confrom to YOUR beliefs of what is proper when and where.

Given the content of the NG in general I see nothing imporper in
calling dee a bitch, or even a good deal worse langauge

I am in full control of my faculties, I just use them according to my
belief system not yours

In short your effort to compell me to respect your starnards is clearly
in my view demandning I respect your beliefs


cut In just the past couple of days, you've gone
way overboard on a couple of issues.


Prehaps in your judemental opinion

Others' posts show that your writings were seen to be excessive. Are we
all possessed of judgemental opinion or are we all liars?

Id have to go though case by case to answer judemental in some cases,
not reading them carefully in other, perhaps lying in others


but again If I am going over the Top as you say that is my right too

There you go with your rights, Mark. Others have rights as well.

I am in no way infringing on their rights. The only person with cause
and standing to complain is Stevie, and he seems to have declined that
option.

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What do your gods teach?


that heterosexuality and homosexuality are preverse, amoug other
things, that decide who you wil love solely by what is between there
legs is obsense

That's quite a mouthful, Mark. Both heterosexuality and homosexuality
are perverse? CUT
when praticed to the exclusion of the other yes

CUTWell then, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I answered you show some respect


That last part is pretty strange. You believe that a woman is a woman
based on her genitals? CUT

yes, of course

CUT Can that be right?CUT

obviously

CUT And your gods teach you this?

yes

That it is proper to reuturn harm to sender 3 fold

So, if you take offense to anything someone did or wrote you could, for
example, begin a malicious campaign of utter lies directed toward that
individual. CUT

mere offense no but harm me yes certainly that would be a valid
possible response, as might be physical violence, or a number of other
actions, the lmits based on proprotionality, not means.


CUT Would that be right?

yes of course


none of this BTW is proper for the forum we are in but there you have
it

It's pretty bad, but I suppose it could have been worse.

worse?

as I have said I tell you the truth you respond with flames I lie and
you flame, you certainly will teach no moral lessions concering say the
value or advantage in truth


But we are in the USA and I have the right to believe as I choose. I
have the right to practice my faith as I see fit

That's right, Mark.

you need to let this sink in Dave

We're in a land turned upside-down.

we are in a land where men died to create the freedom for all to
believe what they choose. a freedom you despise and scron

You can
believe any damned thing you want and do almost anything you want and
you can claim that it is normal.

indeed and you need to start to deal with that fact

You can become a victim and even
receive special treatment because of it.

It was all set up in your favor, Mark, the odds, the reporting of scores
to ARRL, monitoring of my activity but no monitoring of your activity,
your use of PC and code reading software.


but it doesn't anything if I don't trust you, and I don't trust you

cut the repition

Your apporeval is not needed by me for my self respect (thank god)

cuting you continued abuse of my religous freedom

cutting the rest of your weak diatribe. Two can play that game.

Indeed I can't stop you, nor can you stop me.

so grow up and stop trying

Dave K8MN