"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:

Just what do you consider "VITAL COMMS" ???

as i have said Vital ops are those that can't be handled by other
means, the failure of which to get through will cause substancail harm
to many people or additonal damage to infrastructure


So....none of the examples given by me or others in here is considered vital
comms to you. Well I am sure those that needed the messages send, and
those that got them considered them vital.

I will give you one more example of how ham radio got the job done, when
NOTHING ELSE WORKED.

My city, Anniston Alabama wanted to donate several Police Vehicles to the
city of Waveland MS. The city manager made several attempts to contact the
city in MS. NO WAY COULD HE GET THROUGH.

The city manager here knew a city employee was a Ham operator. He asked him
if he could help. He picked up the message and gave it to me, since he
was working at the time.

I passed that message within an hour. A day went by, no return call. That
evening on the regular Alabama Traffic Net I asked our member KB7BSA who was
in Biloxi if she could get someone into Waveland and see if they need the
Police cars.

She not only did just that, but did it herself by traveling to the town,
found the Chief of Police. He is sending people to pick them up today.

Do you think the people of Waveland are going to be happy that they now have
Police patrolling their town once again? Is that vital? Or could a CB
done it? Or GMRS ? Or carrier Pidgeon????


Since the post the post you are quoting I have heard of some
lifesavinng messgae but would stand behind the revised assertion that
most of the ARS traffic is H&W with some life saving traffic in the mix


OK, I get it now. Next Communication Emergency we will have you set up the
allowed traffic list.

But what I am seeing described is retail aid, in a disater of
wholescale proprotions

important but not vital

Retail aid? What the heck is that?

What traffic is being passed by the ARS that would affect the headlines
in this disaster, the only headlines that would be affected are the one
mentioning us by name


Who gives a damn about headlines.
Those that respond in this situation are looking to get the job done. Not
your approval.

Vital comms

I have been informed that the ARS can normaly allow to be complied list
of people in the shelters of the affected areas, I hear from SecHS
mouth that no such list yet exists after how many days


Well Mr. Know it all....The RED CROSS is responsible for getting the lists
at the Shelters. Then passing them as they see fit. The hams are there to
COMMUNICATE ....NOT MAKE POLICY.

Indeed I can recall being regalled with how Cw would rise to pass large
volumes of traffic for us in a disater such as this


When traffic is passed via the Region nets it is passed by CW. CW is being
used for H&W. I already told you this.

Lets get some specifics here . Then we shall see the Ham community tear
you
a new one.

Why BTW is someone holding the opinion that th ARS operations in
Katrina are important and valueble but not al though vital such a
threat to your ego?

A threat to my ego? All I am doing is TRYING to explain to that hole
between your ears that Ham Radio is doing something good here. But you
simply refuse to believe it because you are in a RF hole in Upper Michigan.
Get you attitude adjusted.

the ARS is doing better than I expected out of this, but not at all as
well as we have been lead to believe it could do

See what I mean? Even when you are shown what the Hams are doing, you
doubt it. YOU ARE ONE PARANOID SCREWBALL.

Dan/W4NTI