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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:

Just what do you consider "VITAL COMMS" ???

as i have said Vital ops are those that can't be handled by other
means, the failure of which to get through will cause substancail harm
to many people or additonal damage to infrastructure


So....none of the examples given by me or others in here is considered
vital
comms to you. , and Well I am sure those that needed the messages send
those that got them considered them vital.

If you are going to critizse my use of languae you should try to do
better yourself

But guessing at the details "Well I am sure those that needed the
messages send those that got them considered them vital."

No I don't I see them as important, valueble, not vital, wether the
persons involved thought so matters little as they are not in a
position to be objective

I will give you one more example of how ham radio got the job done, when
NOTHING ELSE WORKED.

My city, Anniston Alabama wanted to donate several Police Vehicles to
the
city of Waveland MS. The city manager made several attempts to contact
the
city in MS. NO WAY COULD HE GET THROUGH.

The city manager here knew a city employee was a Ham operator. He asked
him
if he could help. He picked up the message and gave it to me, since
he
was working at the time.

I passed that message within an hour. A day went by, no return call.
That
evening on the regular Alabama Traffic Net I asked our member KB7BSA who
was
in Biloxi if she could get someone into Waveland and see if they need the
Police cars.

She not only did just that, but did it herself by traveling to the town,
found the Chief of Police. He is sending people to pick them up today.

Do you think the people of Waveland are going to be happy that they now
have
Police patrolling their town once again? Is that vital? Or could a CB
done it? Or GMRS ? Or carrier Pidgeon????

not vital, and by the desciption I suspect that a carrier pigeon might
have done better, said pigeon would flown to waveland and not required
a repeat, as would have simply driving one of the police cars that
Anniston was prepared to send


Since the post the post you are quoting I have heard of some
lifesavinng messgae but would stand behind the revised assertion that
most of the ARS traffic is H&W with some life saving traffic in the mix


OK, I get it now. Next Communication Emergency we will have you set up
the
allowed traffic list.

never said or suggested that the traffic sent was improper, just I see
the traffic passed as less important than you, which is not to say
unimportant.



But what I am seeing described is retail aid, in a disater of
wholescale proprotions

important but not vital

Retail aid? What the heck is that?

a metaphor which obviously you are not bright enough to follow

What traffic is being passed by the ARS that would affect the headlines
in this disaster, the only headlines that would be affected are the one
mentioning us by name


Who gives a damn about headlines.
Those that respond in this situation are looking to get the job done.
Not
your approval.

Never said it required it

Indeed like Dave and Stevie you insist on adding your own meaning to
what I say, to point you fabricate statements

Vital comms

I have been informed that the ARS can normaly allow to be complied list
of people in the shelters of the affected areas, I hear from SecHS
mouth that no such list yet exists after how many days


cut

you want to try responding to what I am saying instead of making
fabrication let me know


I am unable to respond to you in the manner that you seem to expect.
Apparently we are 180 degrees out of phase and will never find a point that
agrees.

So how's this....when you know something about Amateur Radio Emergency
Communications, ARES, RACES,National Traffic System, Propagation,
CW....etc. we will have something to discuss. In the mean time I see no
reason to continue this waste of bandwidth on you.

Dan/W4NTI