RadioBanter - View Single Post - Carl WK3C: Not "Eligble" to Become a Menber of the ARRL Board of Directors

September 15th 05, 04:44 AM

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From: Dave Heil snarling on Sep 14, 1:17 pm

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From: on Sep 14, 4:08 am

Dee Flint wrote:

"K?B" wrote in message

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http://home.ptd.net/~wk3c/

. . . unbelievable . . !!

I'm usually one who waits to "hear the other side of the story", but this
incident astounds me. For the first time since I became interested in
amateur radio, it's not clear to me why I should continue my ARRL
membership.

But what is the existing or potential conflict of interest?

Carl works as a consulting engineer for commercial firms which have
interests in the millimeter end of the spectrum which could be in
conflict with our interests in the ham bands which are also in that
part of the spectrum.

What you mean "millimeter end of the spectrum which could be in
'conflict with our interests' in the ham bands"?

Since WHEN has there been any "great interest" in the World
Above 30 MHz to the League? The core membership of the League
is interested only in "working DX on HF with CW." :-)

Plenty of League members operate the bands above 30 MHz.

Quantify "PLENTY," snarly Heil. Give us some NUMBERS.

"Snarly"=anyone who disagrees with Leonard H. Anderson.
I've worked hundreds of them over the past four years via SSB/CW/FM on
the VHF/UHF bands.

Perhaps you've heard of the monthly QST VHF/UHF column. It has been
around for decades. I have decades worth of QST Magazine and ARRL
Handbooks featuring construction articles on VHF/UHF antennas,
amplifiers and the like.

You must have missed out on this past weekend's contest.

I could care less about "contests" or "radiosport." Especially
if "sponsored" by the League.

Okay, so you really didn't want to know.

You're out of touch, old timer. :-) :-)

Har. Har. Har.

It isn't really funny. You don't have much of an idea what is going on
in the VHF/UHF ham bands, do you?

I was operating and maintaining multi-channel 1.8 GHz microwave
radio relay equipment in the fall of 1954. Where were you?

Me? I was in kindergarten, prepping myself to take over from geezers
who'd be out of steam at some point. My late pal, John W4JBP got on the
air as a ham in 1912. Where were you?

I was testing X-Band (8 to 12 GHz) airborne radar at Hughes
in 1957. Where were you?

Second grade, Highlands Elementary School, Lake Worth, Florida, prepping
myself to take over from geezers who'd eventually run out of steam. My
pal, the late Andy Timberlake got on the ham bands in 1927. Where were you?

I was doing lab tests on 4mm waveguide components in 1960 at the
STL research lab. Where were you?

I'd just finished the fifth grade or was starting the sixth at Harrison
School, Lexington, Kentucky and was still prepping from geezers like
you--guys who'd eventually run out of steam. My late friend Lawrence
Evans W8CAL was on the ham bands from Moundsville begininng in 1931.
Where were you?

I was testing microwave components and systems, including
designing part of an active air-coupled test set on Ku-Band
(18 to 24 GHz) for the A-6 Intruder at Micro-Radionics in the
early 1960s. Where were you?

How early? In 1963 I was fourteen and was already a ham. We already
know what you weren't doing. You weren't a radio amateur.

I did the entirety of design of an L-band (1 to 2 GHz) Mode 4
capable transponder test set RF section at Teledyne
Electronics in '78. Where were you?

I was already a seasoned DXer at age 29. I owned a home in Cincinnati,
Ohio. I'd gotten out of the Air Force six years earlier. I sold
electronics components to OEM customers for a regional, multi-line
industrial electronics distributor. By night, I was guitarist for the
Big Joe Duskin Blues Band and had been doing so for three years. I was
active from the multi-op contest station WA8ONQ, Middletown, Ohio from
6m through light. Moonbounce was included on the 2m band. Homebrew
amps and antennas were used.

I and Al Walston (W6MJN) did all of the RF design work on the
latter two generations of the RCA SECANT aircraft collision-
avoidance R&D program plus the RF design of the RIHANS ship
positioning system in 1972 to 1975. Where were you?

Well, in 1972 I was still in the Air Force. By 1975, I was in charge of
purchasing at the C. Allen Fulmer Company, a machine tool outfit. I
also supervised assembly of the machines--18-foot tall, 11,000 lb.
vertical honing machines. W4JHE ran the place. W4KHV wired all of the
panels. W4JHE got on the ham bands in 1938. W4KHV, his brother-in-law,
got his ticket in 1937. Where were you?

[I've left out some because you'll get even more snarly if
you hear all of it]

Snarly? I've not yet begun to be snarly, wizened one. I've left plenty
out too, so if you're ever in the mood to play another game of "mine's
bigger than yours", I'll happily oblige. I noted all of your
professional credentials but you were asking about ARRL members on the
bands above 30 MHz, weren't you? Perhaps I misread. Did you ask what
PROFESSIONALS were doing on those bands? How does what you were doing
PROFESSIONALLY enter into it?

Where WERE you, OLD TIMER? Still turning on the power switches
of satellite comm State Department radio gear and claiming you
"operated" it? Or was it all "synchronizing your RTTY with CW?"

I operated plenty of satellite gear, from large fixed installations to
suitcase TACSAT equipment. What has that to do with the question you posed?

The core membership doesn't seem to care dink about any World
Above 30 MHz.

Please present any evidence that you've uncovered which outlines what
ARRL members think about the frequencies above 30 MHz. Any at all will do.

How about over 2000 Comments on WT Docket 05-235?

How about over 2000 Comments on WT Docket 98-143?

Please, break them down for us by ARRL member and non-ARRL member.
Thank you for your efforts in justifying your previously unqualified and
unquantified statement.

How about QST having a magazine section entitled "The World Above
30 MHz?" [supposedly all about the latest, greatest ham stuff
at VHF and higher, but not even close to what the RSGB shows
in Radio Communication magazine]

So, RSGB's magazine proves that ARRL members aren't interested in the
bands above 30 MHz? I wish I could accept that.

They wanna play in the HF sandbox, same as they
did a half century ago. Nothing has changed. Status quo uber
alles.

I'm sure that you have something solid on which to base your claim.
Please point us to it.

Jim Kehler's acerbic comment "Gigahertz are for gigasquirts."
Right in here circa 1996-1997.

....and Jim Kehler is the recognized authority on what ARRL members do
and are interested in?

Find me some articles of "great interest in millimeter bands"
allocated to amateur radio by the FCC. Who in here has EVER
worked up in the millimeter bands?

I have, on numerous occasions from WA8ONQ.

Then "NUMER" them for us. WHICH BANDS? And WHEN?

All amateur allocations, 50 MHz to light. 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980
(multiple contests each year). Number them yourself by checking QST
results for various VHF contests under "WA8ONQ" for each of those years.

You are beginning to sound as vague as Dudly the Imposter.

....not nearly so vague as your silly claims of what ARRL members do and
don't do. You aren't a ham and you aren't an ARRL member.

Who in here has EVER worked
any ham bands above 70 cm? [besides using a 1 GHz cell phone
or 2.4 GHz cordless telephone?]

I have, on numerous occasions.

Then "NUMER" them for us. WHICH BANDS? And WHEN?

See references above.

You are beginning to sound as vague as Dudly the Imposter.

....not nearly so vague as your silly claims of what ARRL members do and
don't do. You aren't a ham and you aren't an ARRL member.

It would be informative to see some resumes of the work experience
of the Directors and the BoD of the League.

It might be informative, if only to demonstrate that none were in jobs
which presented a conflict of interests.

Then go argue with Brian Kelly. I'm just interested in INFORMATION.

But mostly what you've done here is to spread disinformation.

YOU yield NO information, only vagueness and generality.

Please tell us how your vague and general statements on ARRL members'
interest in the ham bands above 30 MHz are to be taken?

Pres. Jim Haynie was
a salesman. [should be a clue right there, ey?] How about the
"other" pres., Dave Sumner?

There is no "other" pres.

Sumner is listed as CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER and TREASURER. You
don't consider CEOs as being "president" level, do you? :-)

No, they are not. The League has a president. The League has a CEO.
The positions are not held by the same individual. The job descriptions
are not the same. You've made another factual error.

Dave used to run the "Residence Radio Club" with a club callsign.
He still do that? :-)

Excuse me? Is the question supposed to lead toward Dave Sumner being a
president of the ARRL? I've known Dave Sumner for 30 years now. I call
him "Dave". He calls me "Dave". We met. We've spoken. We've
corresponded. We've worked on the air on SSB and CW. Take my word for
it. I'd know if he was president of the ARRL.

Dave Sumner is a regular editorial writer in QST. Has Jim Haynie
written anything worthy of an editorial?

The General Manager, later CEO has traditionally written QST editorials.
ARRL Presidents have not tradtionally written editorials. That
tradition continues.

That piece of
information is necessary to get an insight into the problem. I didn't find
it on the web site. Of course I don't have a lot of time this morning.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

I found it extremely EASY to obtain all the details on Carl's
website. Just a couple of mouse clicks while reading this in
Google. The same with checking out the League's web site to see
the "announcement" of the candidates for Division. At NIGHT,
when I first saw Carl's message on Google.

Well, let's get a membership drive going, right? "Join and
CHANGE THE LEAGUE FROM 'WITHIN'!" Free, open, democratic
principle stuff. Uh huh. :-)

Off the top of my head, those who post here who cannot run for ARRL
Director:

"Off the top of your head" is just air.

You've said NOTHING about "join the League and work for change
from WITHIN!" :-)

Become an American. Work for change from within. You're not 35?
Sorry, you can't be a Senator. You were born outside the United States?
Sorry, you can't become President. The rules regarding possible
conflicts of interest for ARRL Director candidates have been in place
for decades. They aren't a new thing.

What you do if the hierarchy doesn't let you?

Do you mean if the existing rules don't permit you to be a candidate?
Why, I'd drum up support for a candidate who could be on the ballot.
I'd generate an e-mail campaign. If I couldn't live without running for
ARRL elected office, I'd put my business in a blind trust or sell it.
Otherwise, I'd live with reality.

Have YOU run for any League post? And why should we care?

Then you really don't want an answer.

Just like most of what you say in here is "off the top of your
head," it is merely AIR. Go fight with someone you think you
win message points from. That's YOUR style, mighty AMATEUR
radio warrior.

You're blowing smoke about an ARRL election process. You aren't armed
with the facts, you aren't a League member and you aren't a radio
amateur. That doesn't stop the smoke-blowing and the conspiracy
theories. That's YOUR style, wizened geezer.

Dave K8MN