RadioBanter - View Single Post - Carl WK3C: Not "Eligble" to Become a Menber of the ARRL Board of Directors

September 15th 05, 09:25 PM

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From: Dave Heil on Sep 14, 8:44 pm

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From: Dave Heil snarling on Sep 14, 1:17 pm

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From: on Sep 14, 4:08 am

Dee Flint wrote:

"K?B" wrote in message

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http://home.ptd.net/~wk3c/

. . . unbelievable . . !!

I'm usually one who waits to "hear the other side of the story", but this
incident astounds me. For the first time since I became interested in
amateur radio, it's not clear to me why I should continue my ARRL
membership.

But what is the existing or potential conflict of interest?

Carl works as a consulting engineer for commercial firms which have
interests in the millimeter end of the spectrum which could be in
conflict with our interests in the ham bands which are also in that
part of the spectrum.

What you mean "millimeter end of the spectrum which could be in
'conflict with our interests' in the ham bands"?

Since WHEN has there been any "great interest" in the World
Above 30 MHz to the League? The core membership of the League
is interested only in "working DX on HF with CW." :-)

Plenty of League members operate the bands above 30 MHz.

Quantify "PLENTY," snarly Heil. Give us some NUMBERS.

"Snarly"=anyone who disagrees with Leonard H. Anderson.
I've worked hundreds of them over the past four years via SSB/CW/FM on
the VHF/UHF bands.

Tsk. Still VAGUE. "Hundreds" isn't quantified sufficiently well.

Yet you've surmised that ARRL members aren't interested. You have no
facts, no figures, just a hunch.

Also, the "millimeter" bands are not the centimeter bands such as
70 cm.

There's one your familiar restatements of the obvious. I'll add my
thanks for all of those who weren't aware.

Perhaps you've heard of the monthly QST VHF/UHF column. It has been
around for decades. I have decades worth of QST Magazine and ARRL
Handbooks featuring construction articles on VHF/UHF antennas,
amplifiers and the like.

Goodie, you can be an "elmer" and teach all those newcomers
ALL ABOUT the MILLIMETER BANDS!! :-)

Do you know that I haven't?

You have a virtual library all about MILLIMETER BANDS!

I have a very real library of all things radio.

You're out of touch, old timer. :-) :-)

Har. Har. Har.

It isn't really funny. You don't have much of an idea what is going on
in the VHF/UHF ham bands, do you?

Anyone on the WEST coast would NOT know what is going on
on the east coast. MILLIMETER BANDS are rather line-of-sight.

Anyone on the West Coast who is not a radio amateur would likely not
know much about what hams were doing at any given time on the millimeter
bands.

I was operating and maintaining multi-channel 1.8 GHz microwave
radio relay equipment in the fall of 1954. Where were you?

Me? I was in kindergarten, prepping myself to take over from geezers
who'd be out of steam at some point.

Tsk, you've been out of steam for years. :-)

All things are relative, Leonard. I have about fifteen years more steam
left than you.

Did you have a pressing need for steam? Get a steam iron and
go to it on the ironing board...

I'll take the sauna. You may opt for the steam iron if that's what
you've got.

I was testing X-Band (8 to 12 GHz) airborne radar at Hughes
in 1957. Where were you?

Second grade, Highlands Elementary School, Lake Worth, Florida, prepping
myself to take over from geezers who'd eventually run out of steam.

Ah, but you KNEW ALL ABOUT those MILLIMETER BANDS then, dincha?

Why, no, I didn't know a thing about them back then. Statistically,
I'll be learning more about them after your departure.

I was doing lab tests on 4mm waveguide components in 1960 at the
STL research lab. Where were you?

I'd just finished the fifth grade or was starting the sixth at Harrison
School, Lexington, Kentucky and was still prepping from geezers like
you--guys who'd eventually run out of steam.

Oh, my, you sure MOVED around a lot? On the run? Someone
after you?

Writing a book? Leave this chapter out and make it a mystery.

My late friend Lawrence
Evans W8CAL was on the ham bands from Moundsville begininng in 1931.

Tsk. All your friends are "late?" Too bad.

Most of my friends who were around before you were are now dead. That's
the way of life. Your "where were you" game plays right into it.

I was testing microwave components and systems, including
designing part of an active air-coupled test set on Ku-Band
(18 to 24 GHz) for the A-6 Intruder at Micro-Radionics in the
early 1960s. Where were you?

How early? In 1963 I was fourteen and was already a ham. We already
know what you weren't doing. You weren't a radio amateur.

I was a RADIO PROFESSIONAL. Had been one for 11 years by
1963. Got my First Phone in 1956.

Bully for you. Had this been a PROFESSIONAL radio newsgroup, someone
may have been impressed. You've been on the planet for over seven
decades. You still don't hold an amateur ticket.

I did the entirety of design of an L-band (1 to 2 GHz) Mode 4
capable transponder test set RF section at Teledyne
Electronics in '78. Where were you?

I was already a seasoned DXer at age 29.

Wowwwwwww. (big Ben Stein "wow")

Are you wanting some kind of medal? Certificate (suitable for
framing)?

I don't know of any medals available to DXers, Len. I have the
certificates, thanks.

How about your Life Story made into a motion picture? I know
a few over at the Writer-Producer's Guild in Burbank...should I
drop them a "treatment" or precis of your story?

No thanks. If I need help, I'll avail myself of my sis's connections.

I owned a home in Cincinnati, Ohio.

And that has WHAT to do with amateur radio, "seasoned old DXer?"

Oh, about as much as your PROFESSIONAL doings on the millimeter bands,
Len. You started off with a premise about radio amateurs and the
millimeter bands and, as usual, turned it into a treatise on what you
were doing decades back.

Well, in 1972 I was still in the Air Force.

Tsk. In 'Nam "in-country" working MARS radios? :-)

Why, I certainly did that from time-to-time in my off-duty hours. How
kind of you to remember, sort of.

Snarly? I've not yet begun to be snarly, wizened one.

Tsk. You've been snarly since your fabulous "synchronizing
RTTYs with morse" from the wilds of Africa... :-)

....then again you'd have no way to know that. :-) :-)

I've left plenty
out too, so if you're ever in the mood to play another game of "mine's
bigger than yours", I'll happily oblige.

No doubt "yours" is "bigger." No doubt it can throw a lot
farther. :-)

Throw it? What a peculiar thing to write.

It's probably been "in" more things than
mine, too! :-)

Are you guessing again?

You should use the royal "we" more. That way you can wave
your "we-we" at everyone to "prove your point."

Use it if you like, Len. I didn't do so.

I operated plenty of satellite gear, from large fixed installations to
suitcase TACSAT equipment.

Woweee...regular James Bomb sorta stuff, ey?

Was it?

I'll ask to see
if Steven Segal is available to play you in your Life Story
motion picture. Might take a while, though, agents wanna
have "lunch" and all that.

Do so if you like. Then a whole new group of folks can think you're a
crackpot.

Please present any evidence that you've uncovered which outlines what
ARRL members think about the frequencies above 30 MHz. Any at all will do.

How about over 2000 Comments on WT Docket 05-235?

How about over 2000 Comments on WT Docket 98-143?

Please, break them down for us by ARRL member and non-ARRL member.

Larry Klose already did much of that on Docket 98-143.

Wow! They were broken down by ARRL member and non-ARRL member? Amazing!

I'm still doing that on Docket 05-235 (which won't close until
end of October and 14th November).

....and THOSE are broken down by League member and non-League member?
Wowsers!

So far YOUR numerics are vague to "hundreds" but NOW you want
ME to be terribly, terribly specific as to membership? :-)

Weren't you the guy who asked for specific numbers from me?

Thank you for your efforts in justifying your previously unqualified and
unquantified statement.

My my you really ARE ****ed off, aincha, snarly Dave? Tsk, tsk.

Not at all, Leonard. I accorded you much more civil treatment than I
received from you.

My bad...said unkind things about Big Brother in Newington. :-)

That wasn't your error, Len. What you did was state unsubstantiated
things about League members.

Snarly Dave, go to the grill and fork yourself. You're done. :-)

There's a very well known profile which fits your behavior. Would you
like to see it?

Dave K8MN