From: (Kevin,=A0WB5RUE)
"I AmnotGeorgeBush" wrote in message
... From:
(Kevin, WB5RUE)
What's the difference, main difference,


between the Florida hurricanes and the New


Orleans one?

The hurricane Class (I, II, III, IV, V) of
intensity.

Andrew was a cat-4, Katrina was barely cat-5.

Not to minimize it but there really wasn't much

of a difference in distruction caused directly by

the storm. If the dam had not been breached

the distruction would have been much less.


Exactly,,,illustrating NO was devastated not by the Class of Hurricane,
but by the breach of the levee that Bush diverted funds for Iraq from
when the Army Corp of Engineers asked for monies to shore up flood
protection.

However my point was the the main reason for

the delay in relief effort is that New Orleans

was still under water. No one could get in.



No one -had- to get in. What about Armada drops like in Andrew? Why were
no aid packs dropped in NO? Tons and tons of food and first aid packs
were dropped immediately after Andrew.



After hurricane Andrew, the day after, teams

were combing the area. That was not possible

in New Orleans.


The only reason it wasn't possible was because all the amphibious
vehicles and helicopters and guard equipment were in Iraq for the Bush
pawn game,,,er,,,war. So combing the area was most certainly possible.

However in upstate LA and in Mississippi

teams were on the ground the next day. No

one talks about that.


Because good is expected from people. It's when they **** up royally
that the world needs made aware.

New Orleans is still under water. It's going to


be very difficult, if not impossible, to rebuild

until the water is gone. In Florida the water

was gone almost immediately. In New Orleans
the damage wasn't caused so much by the

storm directly but by the breach of the levies.

Regardless of the causes of the damage to

bring race and/or racism into this is totally

irresponsible.

Agreed, but one can not merely "disregard" the reasons for breach, as
much as the Bush administration would like. Besides, I said nothing
regrding race.

I don't believe I accused you of bringing up

race but many others on the left have.


And on the right. I heard Rush Limbaugh whining about the ABC news team
"shoving cameras in the faces of blacks asking them if they were upset
with the way President Bush handled the response". Limbaugh mentioned
their color, then turned around in the same breath and accused ABC of
being the one to play the race card by interviewing the blacks. If it
wasn't for Limbaugh saying they were black, listeners would have had no
clue. So it was Limbaugh playing the race card, just like so many other
lowlife scumbag repubs in this specific Bush administration.



The "reason" for the breach was wind and has
nothing to do with either the Democrat party or
Republican party other than it was a Democrat
administration (local/state) in charge of

maintanance and supervision.



Wind they KNEW would occur..a breach they KNEW would occur and flood the
city,,,a predicament the Army Corp of Engineers tried to right, but Bus
denied the money they asked for flood improvement.

It was a Democrat administration (city) that

FAILED to warn the people and get them to

safety.



Are you kidding? The entire country knew for days ahead of time this
thing was drawing a bead on NO. Everyone was forewarned.


It's not the federal government's job to pick up
the pieces after a local government fails.

Again, you seem to either loathe the capacity for which FEMA was
designed or disagree with their existence altogether.

It's

the federal government's job to protect our

boarders



But he hasn't done that either. Pat Buchanan detailed this last week,
the week before, and the week before that. Ask any landowner along the
border in the south,,,,,,google "Minutemen" or the "MC13 street gang" Al
Queda used to smuggle suitcase nukes into the US this year through
Mexico. There are more ilegal aliens literally pouring into our
countryon a daily basis at a rate higher than ever before. This is
EXACTLY the reason the modern Minutemen movement down along the border
was conceived. Bush keeps on failing. He's like King Midas in
reverse,,everything he touches turns to ****!


and to deal with other nations and not much

else.

I disagree. I think if you examine the documents and mission statement
of the National Guard, you will find nowhere is their mission to be sent
abroad to deal with other nations. If that were the case, they would
have been designated the "International Guard".

Yes, most of the victims are black. So what!


So, personally, I believe Bush doesnt give a rats ass about them. In
fact, Bush is so out of touch, he doesn't give a **** about you, me, the
republican base, or much anything else other than his personal agendas
which have clearly been proved on repeat occasion that they are not in
lin eiwht what is best for the country. Cutting taxes for the two
percent of the wealthiest and fighting like hell to give intangible tax
relief to less than five percent of the taxpayers while soldiers are
dying simply because they do not have adequate armor and teflon
protection is ****ing bull****!


They are all people, their color doesn't matter.

In Florida most of the victims were white. Did

you hear any of them whining about racism?

Like I said before, it's not a question of the

government's failure in this storm.

Exactly, as there is no question whatsoever. The Bush admin most
certainly failed.

It is also an indictment of the local

governemental failures.



Sure,,,but the buck stops with the feds,,,always. tates always cede to
federal powers in just about everything. Even the state courts (which
have always been allowed to "go their own way" until the Bush admin)
have been altered because of the feds. Feds dictating treatment to
doctors, feds telling states they cant have this, they can't have
that,..feds blackmailing states telling them if they pass a law the feds
don't agree with, funding for (insert favorite department
here.....roads, schools, etc) will be stopped.

Where were the warnings BEFORE the storm
hit?


All over the world via televison, radio, and internet.

What did the local and state governments do

to protect the people BEFORE the storm hit?

It's NOT the job of the federal government to

pick up the pieces of a local government's

failures...at least it wasn't until FDR.


Yea,,well that's along time ago and things have changed...like FEMA.


In 2002 San Antonio and the surrounding

areas had the worse flooding in 100 years. We

got (ask for) no federal aid. There were the

typical low interest federal loans for the

rebuilding but we didn't need the Army and

National Guard.


NO did.

We didn't blame the lack of help on the federal
government. No! We recovered ourselves.

Also you didn't hear about the racism of the

storm and recovery efforts even though more

than 80% of the people who lost houses were

Hispanic.

The entire world wasn't made aware of San Antonio like they were with
NO.


It's the fact that the liberal government of

Louisiana has failed totally for the past forty

years in its "War of Poverty."

So it's not about race but poverty? One can not colllectively speak of
poverty without speaking of the blacks in the same manner one can not
speak of the ever-widening gap between the haves and have-nots without
mentioning the poorly constructed government that encourages such
disparity, as has been lovingly embraced by the Bush admin from day one.
And once again, you abdicate and ignore all responsibility for the
federal positons filled by Bush (Brown) who were supposed to be on top
of things like emergency disaster response, among other items. This
shall not be ignored.

Why can't you speak of poverty without

bringing in the race of the poor? So what if X%
of the poor in that part of the country are

black.


You answered your won question.



Just about the same percent of the total

population is black. It just so happens.

"It just so happens"? Like a cosmic coincidence? I don't buy it.

Remember, it's been under a Democrat

administration for the past 40 years. Those

who were poor 40 years ago are still poor, and
how have poor children and poor

grandchildren.


There is a very prestigious section of NO where many wealthy blacks
live,,,,blacks who were born into poverty and who overcame adversity in
NO to rise to the status of mover and shaker in that town.




Where's the "War on Poverty" going? So what

if they are black, green blue or polk-dotted,

they are still poor and the Democrat

administration has done nothing about it.



You just said it wasn't governments place to do anything about it, now
you take the partisan oad and say the demos should have done something
about it. How about the states that are traditionally repub? Several of
these states have horrible crime rates and cities that are burned out
with plight.

BUT...as you say there are "poor" and those

"poor" are of a "minority" race the Democrat

party can feed the fires of division and keep

them right where they want them --

dependent! It's the only legal way of buying

votes. "Vote for me and I'll guarantee that

welfare check will keep coming without

restrictions..."

Face it, the war is lost!


I'm not the one you need convince. It's the repubs who continue to wage
useless intangible "war" after war on "wars" they continue to lose..like
the war on drugs, just for starters. The cash they toss into this war
against Americans could feed the nation's hungry children and shoe the
poorest children in America.,,,but they won't do that, because then they
would have to admit they ****ed up, and the repubs can't do this under
the tutelage of ****ups like Bush and his father....this family somehow
feels they are above the little people and are above reproach. The
scumbag we have for president actually conned many people in this
country into thinking that questioning the government is unpatriotic,
when the opposite is true.

But then I doubt that it

was ever meant to be won, the "poor" are the

Democrats' cash cow so there is no desire to

fix the problem that is multi-generational.

Now you are getting to the crux of the matter.
This government has no desire to "fix" the disparity and the poor's
plights, so one can understand their extreme slow and incapable response
to the disaster.

So where was the state government?


Name me a single state that is capable of sustaining without federal
aid and absorbing their own costs after such a calamity. Just one.

It's the

responsibility of the STATE to initiate relief

first.


Where the hell does it say that? How the hell can the state initiate
relief when all their equipment was commandeered by some alcoholic
cowboy from Texas for a grudge-**** match in Iraq?


Where was that? Remember, democrat state

government, democrat county (parish)

government and democrat city government.

....who must yield to federal powers like all other states.


Failure at all three levels for the past 40 years.

Failure for 40 years? Obviously, you are repeating rhetoric you hear and
not what actually is. Anyone who has ever been to NO knows for there
certainly was no failure of government. I've been there for a Superbowl
Party and for many Phat Tuesdays and Mardi
Gras'. The city is a party town and a great host.

This storm did nothing but uncover that failure

(and corruption it seems now).


Let's talk about failure.....leadership, strength, and security were the
W calling cards during his campaign. The country bought it.
Leadership...he failed when he took us to Iraq on intel crafted around
policy. Strength,,he failed us on this poignant point when he told us
the war in Iraq would be "swift". He failed us again when he told us
"Baghdad has fallen" and "Mission accomplished." Security...he failed
this on so many counts that if you haven't heard him admitfailures
regarding homeland security measures in the past few weeks, you simply
refuse to acknowledge it. Just in case you need a nudge,,,,,,there were
several Anthrax attacks post-911 in Florida....Bush FAILED to not only
prevent these (even with all his bull**** Patriot Act garbage), he
failed to apprehend the suspects. Also there is the MC13 gangs, the
illegal aliens..on it goes, man, on it goes. The man is a failure as
president.



Read your history books, the South has been

predominatly Democrat...always...even during

the days of slavery. They were the party of

sessession. The Democrat party became

anti-slavery when slavery became against the

law.


Where did all that come from? One discussion at a time..


Back in the middle of the nineteenth century

the "Democratic party" was pro-slavery.

So was the republicans throughout much of American history. In fact,
Lincoln may very well have begun the republican hypocrisy that has
become such staple in today's usual politics of the right, as he was a
-slave- owner.

Urban ledgend, Lincoln didn't own slaves.

Ummmm.....he did own slaves on several plantations. I'll get back to you
with the pertinent facts. Mary Todd had much to do with this change of
heart.


Washington owned slaves but Lincoln himself

did not.

It was a Republican president who gave the

order to free the slaves.

The war was north vs south, not repub vs demo.

The Democratic Party has always been the

party of the "down trodden" and they do what

they can to keep them there.

Actually, the republican party is made up of many poor people who think
they will be rich one day and vote republican for "when that day comes".
This is a frequent occurring phenomenon that gained its most momentum
during the first days of the war. Conservatism, however, at least W's
improper and tweaked version, has peaked and is now on its way out.


By "they", you astutely and correctly refer the republican party. You,
sir, are right on this count.

Kevin, WB5RUE

No, the "they" is always the democrat party,

always.


Then answer me why the republican party is steadfastly against voter
registration automatically when one receives their drivers license.


What has the democrat party done other than

point out the differences?

Made more millionaires from average citizens than ever before,,,need I
remind you this tool place under Clinton?


Certainly they aren't doing anything about it.

Already did. Many of us made our nest egg under Clinton. Even though
Bush is working hard to get it, he's ****ed.

To be a democrat liberal all you have to do is

care and/or complain.


Exactly, because people like you are so snowed with bull**** from Bush.
You perfectly typify the current admin's mindset,,,,,,that if you
criticize the president, you're a liberal. And it's that thinking that
has him on the ropes.


There need be no corrective action and there

rarely is otherwise this "war on poverty" would

have been won years ago.

A liberal gets his self worth by counting the

number of people he is helping.

A conservative gets his self worth by counting

the number of people who no longer need his

help.


That leaves out Bush. Do you have any clue how many millions of people
hit poverty level since Bush took office? A record 4 million! But
wait,,,,,if he makes 100,000 millionaires out of cronies like Cheney and
Haliburton and Bechtel and Root, Kellog, and Brown, with more no-compete
clauses and outsourcing,,,,that is considered successful by people like
yourself, right?


Poverty under a Democrat administration is

self perpetuating.


Then poverty under a republican admin must be intended.

Kevin, WB5RUE

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