September 21st 05, 05:59 AM
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"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in
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"Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message
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"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in
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No "Alun L. Palmer" Lennie the loser is transfixed on the anti-CW
testing campaign. He can not carry on a discussion that has NOTHING
to do with CW or testing without out bringing it into the discussion.
Get it now?
Dan/W4NTI
"Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message
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From: Michael Coslo on Sep 16, 9:44 am
an_old_friend wrote:
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
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From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 13, 1:25 pm
More BS from the non ham Lennie the loser. plonk
Per SOP ignore any data insult any oposition Boring Dan realy
getting boring
As usual A-O-F you got it wrong. My problem with Lennie is he
simply can't stay on subject. Spins everything that is said.
And his one track mind of anti-CW and basically anti-ham rhetoric
gets tired quickly. So I have decided to plonk him. He is not
relevant to a serious discussion in this group, since he is not
a member of the society. Dig it?
Aagin SoP ranting form you, anyone different knows nothing of
value
Boring Dan Boring
He has a point, Mark. There are people in this group who I
don't
regularly post to. There is a fringe element that seems to be
really concerned with each others sexual habits, there is a group
of Ham-baiters, and there are those who simply hate Amateurs.
All my exchanges with him have become drearily predictable
and not very interesting, at least to me.
Poor baby. "Sore loser-ism" displayed for all to see. :-)
The whines have been pressed from grapes of morsemen's wrath!
I don't need the non-sequitars, the name calling, or the constant
attempts to steer most every thread to CW testing.
"Non sequitur." [from the Latin]
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Coslo wishes to be "correct" in any discussion
or argument? Not possible in an OPEN forum when his discussions
and arguments are NOT winning/correct/valid or on the subject of
amateur radio.
Note: There exist OTHER forums for discussion of religion and
general moral-ethical behavior. Those do not involve amateur
radio per se, though, so it is best NOT to whine and carry on
about losing discussions and arguments by spouting "you hate
hams!"
Mr. Anderson simply hates Hams.
Incorrect. By so stating an incorrect falsehood, you create, in
effect, a mild sort of character assassination which is not at
all civil or mannerly.
If you cannot stand to have your statements rebutted, talked
against, or shown to be invalid or incorrect, then you have NO
validity in engaging in uncivil character assassination by
hurling falsehoods or even personal insults.
That is okay, no one has to like Hams, me, or chunk light tuna.
This newsgroup was NOT created to "like Michael Coslo" or to
discuss various forms of comestible fish or meat.
If you cannot stand the heat of debate or strong discussion,
this newsgroup is NOT for you.
So I seldom bother to reply. No point to it.
Yet you engage in uncivil character assassination, being the
hypocrite to your statement of saying "no point to it."
Obviously you HAVE a "point." That is to personally insult
those who disagree with you, such as saying "I hate hams!"
I do not. Disagreement with you or anyone else on amateur
radio policy is NOT "hating hams." Disagreement with certain
policies expressed by the ARRL is NOT "hating hams."
You seem to forget (conveniently) that I've been IN radio and
electronics for a long time, first as a hobbyist, then as a
radio operator and maintainer in the United States military.
That military experience was enlightening and interesting
enough to me to change my working career goal from industrial
illustration to electronics engineering. That became my
career and I've retired from regular hours at that. Radio
and electronics hobby interests continue with me still, begun in
1947 and still with me 58 years later.
Not having as much exposure to other forms of radio
communication, certainly not for as long as I, you consider
"radio" as being ONLY that which you are familiar with:
Amateur radio, CB, cellular telephony. RADIO is far larger
than that. Amateur radio is a small subset of the larger
world of ALL radio communication. Radio amateurs can
benefit by learning more about other forms of radio
communication since all the physical principles are the
same. You get bogged down on expressing your views almost
entirely from the standards and practices of amateur radio
as you know it. That is short-sighted and detrimental to
overall policy - the adminstrative regulations imposed by
authority of government law.
At present, in terms of amateur radio policy, there is only
ONE MAJOR topic before the Federal Communications Commission:
NPRM 05-143 on the elimination or retention of the morse code
test. Elimination of the morse code test threatens the
traditional, mind-conditioned "soul" of many radio amateurs.
Elimination of the code test will prove to be of much larger
impact on the future of United States amateur radio than
did the "restructuring" of mid-2000. That impact will be
far longer than dozens of future hurricane disasters, far
more reaching than some creation of "classes" of licenses
that give status and prestige to certain radio amateurs. It
spells "the end of ham radio" to some who are unable to
change, unable to accept anything but their own comfortable
fantasy of the "amateur community." That traditionalists
refuse to recognize change is not my problem, not a
requirement that I toady to those self-professed "experts of
radio" by giving gratuitous praise on their mighty self-
stated accomplishments. CHANGE has happened to ALL OTHER
radio services. No God has divined that amateur radio
refuse to change nor has the Divine Being blessed all those
of "higher" classes wisdom and judgement because they've
met older artificial standards imposed by older amateurs.
In my career work I've seen tremendous change in as many
forms of electronics and radio as I've been fortunate to
experience (a great deal many). Nowhere have I experienced
as hidebound and stubborn refusal of so many to accept
change in amateur radio...and to blatantly insult the person
of those seeking change, seeking modernization. Some in
amateur radio seem to be the living embodiment of ultra-uber-
conservatism. For an avocational activity that is NOT vital
to the nation. Amateur radio is basically a hobby, a
personal activity involving radio, a fun recreation but one
that requires federal regulation due to the physical nature
of electromagnetic radiation. If you think that amateur
radio is "more" than that, you are mistaken and are living
in an idealized but fantasy concept of an avocational
pursuit. Not my problem. It is yours. It is Jeswald's.
It is all those who think they "own" amateur radio as it
is now.
I'll admit that Len can be irritating at times, but this accusation
that he hates radio hams is nonsensical. I've never seen any
evidence of that.
I also agree with his post that dropping the Morse test is THE big
issue, more important than any restructuring, etc. I have taught ham
radio classes, and IME the biggest factor in whether people succeed
in the theory tests is whether they are genuinely interested in
radio. If they just want to chat and aren't into radio as a medium,
there's always CB. OTOH, it's absolutely possible to be totally
radio obsessed and yet not give a fig for Sam Morse and his silly
old bleeping noises. This is why it's a big issue.
If CW had been on the ITU agenda back in '93, which it was supposed
to be, s25 would have been amended back then, and we could have seen
an explosion in our numbers before the Internet really caught on. As
it is, ham radio is as old as yesterday's newspaper. In short, it's
probably too late to get a major boost in numbers, even if we gave
the licences away, which abolishing the code test certainly doesn't
do (and no, I'm not proposing we make the theory easier).
Why put my name in quotes? Plug it into the FCC database and it will
come back with N3KIP, and show you that I am an Extra. Do you think
I'm someone else?
I Len is transfixed on this issue, I suspect it's because he really
wants a ham licence, despite his protestations to the contrary.
With all the Unknown Flying Objects it is hard to tell who is real and
not Alun.
Of course Lennie wants a ham license. But he has now blustered and
BSed his way into a corner and can't find a way out.
Dan/W4NTI
AFAIK there is only one Alun Palmer with a ham radio licence anywhere in
the world, so you can get my call directly from my name, provided you are
careful with the spelling. You could find more than one call in more than
one country if you try hard enough, but they are still just me.
I think Len may get a ham licence, but we will have to wait and see. It's
plain he's after HF though.
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