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From: "K4YZ" on Thurs 13 Oct 2005 18:49

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From: Dave Heil on Thurs, Oct 13 2005 8:19 am
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Dee Flint wrote:

Movies and novels, etc often take artistic license with the facts in order
to produce more impact. That is true of both dramas and comedies. So any
one who relies on such items for their history is going to be using a far
amount of misinformation. Even the news media takes artistic license by the
selection of what facts and speculation to report since they are going for
ratings.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee, excellent, excellent post.

That must be why some in this group constantly quote british comedy as
if it were somehow relevant to matters at hand. They get their history
from Monty Python. Telling is their admiration for the contribution(s)
that the ARS made in WWII. Quitepuzzling, since the ARS was shut down
by the US government at the time.

Many radio amateurs made their war contributions as radio operators.

As did all the PCTAs in here, valiantly fighting the brave
fight with a morse key in each holster.

Scumbag Lennie, ressurected from wherever it is he and Mrs Lennie
slither off to on occassion.....

"Scumbag?" "...slither?"

Yep. You quote well.

Well, a three-week trip to a college reunion might look like that
to one who has only been "licensured" as a high school graduate.

Who has "only" a high school diploma, Lennie?

BTW, "occasion" has only one S in it...


And of course, it's for no other purpose except to "make ugly" in
RRAP.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...I didn't write "scumbag" or "slither."

No, you didn't...But you are one and you did.

...or "sign off" with the Yiddish pejorative "Putz."

Again, it's all about you, Lennie...Prove it "wrong".

It would be fun to read of their stories, tales of heroism,
etc., while working for the OSS deep behind the lines and
sending intel back to Hq. I can compare them to those I
heard back in the 1950s from Signalmen who were actually
there!

I imagine that most of what you re-tell here is already from bar
room tales you over heard, Lennie...

What "tales" have I told, masterradiooperator?

Oh geeze...

Being assigned to a major Army radio station of the 1950s? Was
all true. Documented. I have not only witenesses but those
witnesses were there at the same time I was. HF. Radio. KW
power levels. 220 thousand messages relayed per month.

Still tales, Lennie...Re-worded, repeated, should be retired.

http://kauko.hallikainen.org/history...s/My3Years.pdf

Dudly the Imposter has "ZERO-POINT-ZERO" experience as a
military radio operator. Zip. Nada. Nyet. None.

Wrong.

[unless one counts undocumented, unreferencible "Assistant NCOIC"
claims at a MARS station...:-)]

Sorry, Lennie...IS documented and IS "referencible".

Many became electronics and radio instructors.

Right...and how MANY is "many?" More than five?

According to ARRL numbers from the era (yeah...we know,
Lennie..NOTHING the ARRL says is true...We've heard your lies
before...) over 6000 licensed Amateurs of the era served IN UNIFORM
during WW2.

...and don't you wish YOU were, mighty warrior?

Was what? Been a member of the ARRL and was a member of the
United States Marines.

Dudly the Imposter says "I told 'lies'" yet cannot prove it.

Who's Dudly?

However you HAVE told lies...Been caught in them repeatedly.

Dudly the Ugly mouths off again.

Who's Dudly?

Was the MIT Radiation Lab built up on a base of amateurs?

Does it matter? I'll bet there were a few there.

Tsk. You don't even know what "rad lab" is or stands for or
where it was located during WW2...

Yes, Lennie...I can read a history book, just like YOU did.

Were there NO electronics professionals anywhere in the U.S.
electronics industry at that time?

Are you suggesting that NONE of the "electronics professionals" of
the era were licensees, Lennie?

"Licensees" of what, masterradiooperator?

A lame diversion, Your Scumminess.

What do you think Bell Labs in NJ had? A little shack
just working on telephones?

Again...No Amateurs there either, Lennie? Not a one?

Quote from the ARRL Holy Book, masterradiooperator, and tell us
EXACTLY how many. You imply you KNOW all.

No, I don't.

However it's a matter of histroical record (whether you like the
sources or not) that Amateur licensees DID work in these many fields.

BTW, do you know WHERE "Bell Labs" were in WW2, masterradiooperator?

What does it matter that I do or don't, Lennie?

This has some relevence to YOUR insinuations that Amateur Radio
operators did not play any kind of role in WW2?

What about the second-highest priority of manufacture in
World War 2, right behind the Manhattan Project? That was
quartz crystal unit manufacture...a million a month in the
last three years of WW2.

Bet there was a couple there, too...

Only a "couple?"

Which of the more than 30 companies involved had licensed
radio amateurs, Dudly the Ugly?

Who's Dudly?

Picking up on the diminutives of a twice court-martialed liar,
Lennie?

Getting lazy, aren't you?

The civilian center for quartz crystal unit production was
Motorola in Chicago in WW2. Except you said that Motorola
didn't exist back then, remember?

As far as communications go, it didn't.

Motorola's own website and historical archives refer, Lennie.

Or are you NOW claiming to know more about Motorola's history than
Motorola does?

Many were involved in radio design and manufacture.

Riiiight...all hams knew everything there was to know about
radar, microwaves, sonobuoys, VHF and UHF radio relay, and
primitive television used in the first guided bombs?

So...We have NO persons working in ANY electronics venue in WW2,
Lennie?

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Dudly the Ugly has very little reading
comprehension. I don't know who the "we" are, but what you
say I wrote isn't what I wrote.

Who's Dudly?

"Electronics venue?" What are you talking about? "Venue?"

Dodge, dance, spin and weave.

What ever it takes to mislead and deceive.

Good ole Lennie!

Locate Lewyt Vacuum Cleaner Comapny and find out their
history...they built lots of BIG HF transmitters during
WW2! Really. BC-339s with 1 KW RF out in HF and BC-340s
with 10 KW RF out in HF. Said so on lots of nameplates.

OK.

Your point?

Tsk, good opportunity for Dudly the Ugly to say that "vacuum
cleaners 'suck'!" [missed your chance, Dud]

Who's Dudly?

And you didn't answer the question.

Many became involved with Civil Defense
and WERS (War Emergency Radio Service).

Again, how MANY is "many?"

More than are licensed in the Amateur service on Lanark, Lennie...

Tsk, tsk. Three of us living on Lanark Street are licensed
by the FCC in COMMERCIAL radio service. But, "Lanark Street"
didn't exist before 1950 so that doesn't fit with Dudly the Ugly's
personal hatred of certain folks in here...

Who's Dudly?

And the existence of "Lanark Street" has WHAT to do with WHAT?

By the way...You asked about the allegations of you lying.

Your assertion that I "hate" anyone here is one of them. I've
said this before and I've said it's not true, but here you are
repeating it again.

Were there any AIR ATTACKS on the
United States then? [exactly one case of a Japanese
submarine firing a couple rounds on California, hitting very
little] [Hawaii wasn't a state back then, remember]

Why?

What does licensure in WERS have to do with air attacks?

Tsk, tsk, tsk, Dud, you'd best get with Buzziebaby on those
"air attacks." He say over 200 Japanese balloons "attacked"
the US of A in WW2. Were there NO "balloon spotters" manned
by "licensured" radio amateurs back then?

Your English is getting as bad as Mark's, Lennie.

There WERE "Air Wardens" and "Spotters" throguhout the United
States...

My father-in-law was an "air raid warden" in his neighborhood
some 900+ miles inland from the east coast, about 2000 miles
inland from the west coast. About all that was accomplished
with those air raid drills was conservation of electricity
by turning off all non-essential lights.

So?

Again, just wondering what this may have to do with Amatuers
having performed some service in WW2.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, I wonder what Dudly the Ugly had to do with
WW2 considering he didn't exist until a decade AFTER WW2
ended.

Who's Dudly?

You're still weaving and deceiving, Lennie.

Are you going to answer the question?

Tell us all about CD and WERS, old timer. I'm sure the kids
in here will glory in your stories. I was a kid myself back
then and thought it real exciting to hear all those stories
of military life.

Civil Defense and WERS were not "military", Lennie. They were
civilian, hence the "C" in "CD".

Tell us all about it, old-timer. You were THERE, weren't you?

Nope. But then you BARELY were yourself.

This makes six questions in a row that you avoided answerting with
direct answers, but rather responded with some sandlot taunt.

Why am I not surprised?

Fly your "E for Effort" flag proudly, masterradiooperator.

[anyone alive during WW2 could see the "E flags"]

Anyone who served in the Armed Forces in the LATE 20th Century
could still see "E" flags at some Naval installations. The same "E" is
also stencilled on the hangars and ships of US Navy Air and Sea assets
of units awarded the "E".

There is a large amount of
documentation of the efforts of radio amateurs during the Second World
War. Have you read any of it?

Lots and lots of it available from the ARRL. Too bad they don't
mention all the NON-amateur contributions in radio...(SNIP)

Why should they?

Tsk, tsk, tsk...you never saw any "war surplus radio" stuff?

Old-timer, you've lead a sheltered life.

The radio-electronics INDUSTRY of the USA built all those "surplus
radios" from WW2. Those were NOT built FOR radio amateurs.

You claim I don't read what you write, Lennie, but I quoted you
verbatim yet you respond to MY comments with something completely
irrelevent.

How many articles about Amateur Radio appear in IEEE publications?

Over a dozen that I've seen...but the IEEE, a PROFESSIONAL
ASSOCIATION publishes not only SPECTRUM (the membership magazine
I get free each month), but the PROCEEDINGS (technical features
on both electric power and general electronic subjects) plus over
two dozen TRANSACTIONS (from special interest groups) each month.
Not only that, they publish (generally printed by Wiley) books
and biographies and historical texts on electric and electronic
subjects. Go to their website and check out what's available.

A dozen?

In your alleged 40+ years of "service" in the electronics field?

That's one article every three and one third years.

Divided between "Spectrum" and "Proceedings", that's a pretty poor
showing.

I betya references to IEEE occurs more frequently in Amatuer
publications.

Tsk, Dudly the Ugly has to understand that "radio" is only one
small subset of the entirety of ELECTRONICS in the world. To
the vast majority of IEEE members, "amateur radio" is just a
hobby for personal recreation and enjoyment. The world of
electronics hasn't looked to amateurism to supply new insights
and principles for well over a half century...worldwide.

And Lennie the Liar forgets that THIS forum is about AMATEUR
RADIO...

A radio service in which you do NOT have licensure or experience.

(UNSNIP)...or even
that the major communications mode of the U.S. military back in
WW2 was by TTY, not morse code...as it continued into the post-
War Two period. Western Electric Company made lots and lots of
NON-morse communications equipment...they of the Bell conglomerate
and not at all being amateur about what they did.

Still nothing here that suggests that anything Dave (nor anyone
else, for that matter...) said was incorrect.

Tsk, tsk, Dud, listen to Davie the Heil...he "worked with NASA"
and did "real radio operating" while in uniform. You have
exactly "zero-point-zero" experience in military communications.

Wrong-o, Putz-o. Provided the MOS for it, along with my
maintenence MOS's.

Sorry you weren't paying attention.

But...the ARRL is the "only true" source of "radio history" isn't
it? Always "telling the truth" and omitting nothing, right?

Geeze, Lennie, no one except YOU suggested that.

Riiiiight...and the ARRL is "universally loved" by all "licensured"
radio amateurs!

Nope. It's not.

ARRL *always* "tells the truth" and never omits mention of
hated professionals, right?

Who's "hated"?

Direct question: Can YOU prove a single one of your claims of
dishonesty vis-a-vis the ARRL? Is there a single line intentional
DISHONESTY in ANY ARRL text?

ARRL *never* "sins by omission" do they?

What "sins"? What "omissions"?

YOU suggest that since Amateur Radio is only a "hobby" that the
IEEE, an organization of electrical engineers, should not reference or
allude to it in their publications.

On the otherhand, the IEEE's scope exceeds the ARRL's own scope
and purpose, which is to discuss Amateur Radio.

So again...to WHICH "omissions" do you refer?

Just more proof of my theory that your misdeeds, mistruths and
deceit in this forum is a hate-fest against the ARRL due to some
perceived sleight that was dealt you in the past...

Poor baby, being delusional again?

Nope. Just pointing out the obvious.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Trying to get rid of the amateur radio morse
code test in FCC regulations is NOT "hating the ARRL or 'all'
radio amateurs."

But that's not what your conduct in this forum has presented.

You've repeated that this forum is ONLY for the Morse Code Test
issue, and that you are only here to force the end of Morse Code
testing.

However that's just what you "say".

Your "actions" speak louder and prove you a liar.

Tell us your stories, old timer. They are always such a treat
on how you saved the country for democracy during WW2.

Gee, Lennie...You're alsways the one with a "Back in the war..."
story for us...Usually a pages-long ranting on the equipment line-up at
ADA and how YOU single-handedly passed 1.2 million messages....

So, old-timer, WHICH military radio station did YOU work at
"during the war?"

I didn't. Never claimed to. But you, on the otherhand, have tried
to claim some "hero by association" with your stories of heroics in
rear-area Japan in 1953.

...and WHICH "war" was it? You've never detailed that, Dudly
the Imposter. You've made only inferences, nothing detailed.

Who's Dudly?

Then you can insert the "PCTA truth" of how "all" radio ops
"must know morse code" in order to be "good radio ops" and how
anyone that doesn't love, honor, cherish and obey the morse
creed is "hating all hams" of today. [which is what it will all
boil down to...as usual]

Or it will "all boil down to" Lennie Anderscum ranting and raving
about how Amateurs know nothing, and that anyone not collecting a
paycheck for thier activites in "radio" are underachievers.

"their," sweetums...watch those typos when you get heated.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...I've not said that "all amateurs" "know nothing."

Sure you have. Repeatedly.

I've said that CERTAIN INDIVIDUAL AMATEURS are IGNORANT of
anything but being able to read (word-for-word) every ad in QST
to get their "radio smarts." That's (unfortunately) true.

No, it's not true. That's an unsubstantiated rant of YOURS.

That YOU are an UNDERACHIEVER is YOUR label for YOURSELF.

Nice try, Lennie.

That YOU are HATING of anyone who has gathered experience
in radio operating anywhere but as a "licensured" amateur
is YOUR problem.

Again you repeat this "hate" lie.

I don't "hate" you or anyone else based upon what they "know" or
"don't know" about radio electronics.

As far as radio OPERATING goes, Lennie, you have zero-point-zero
hours of radio operating experience as it pertains to AMATEUR Radio,
which is the purpose of THIS forum.

As for "hating" anything or anyone, I "hate" people who know "just
enough" to try and force their uninformed opinions on others "just
because".

You remind me of some of the idiots that present to the ED and
then try to "get involved" in the process based upon thier having
watched numerous episodes of "E.R.", "Third Watch" and other related TV
dramas.

Have Jimmie Noserve tell us all about Washington Army Radio
[WAR callsign] at Fort Detrick and how ACAN operated. He will
know because he thinks he was THERE or something. Have Dudly
tell us about the Montezuma halls and the beaches of Tripoli
as he valiantly fought side by side with other ham heroes in
the African campaign of '43. Wonderful stories and tales!

Funny...

All of the "wonderful stories and tales" come from you, Lennie...

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Jimmie once mentioned some old-timer's article
about WAR (Washington Army Radio) from pre-WW2 times and tried
to discredit the FACT that WAR was running TTY, not morse code,
during and after WW2. Washington Army Radio had the TTY
four-letter ID of "RUEP" in ACAN...ADA has "RUAP." [you need
more of the ACAN IDs, old-timer? I got them up to 1962]

Gee, Lennie...Did YOU "serve" in 1943? Had you reached puberty
yet?

Long ago in here some anony-mouse "reserve colonel" had a "son
in the [first] Gulf War" that was using "CW behind enemy lines
to send intel back to Hq." [his son would 'never' lie to him
he wrote] Anony-mouse slunk away when confronted with modern
land-forces radio equipment nomenclature and procedure, his last
posting saying he might have been mistaken.

Or more likely your volumous blabberings were more than he cared
to deal with, which is more like it.

[Dudly the Imposter has NEVER mentioned one single nomenclature
or familiar name of any military radio communication equipment
(other than a couple MARS radios) yet claimes to "know" about
military communications]

Who's Dudly? And why do you incessantly suggest that reciting
"military nomenclature" has anything to do with AMATEUR Radio...?!?!

HF radio was ONCE a mainstay of international radio communications
but that reverted to a backup system some time in the 1970s with
the coming of more modern methods of reaching around the globe.
That's the REAL HISTORY of radio communications to the REST of
the radio world.

Uh huh.

And this answers the questions posed to you but ignored by
you....HOW...?!?!

Frankly, Dud, you know dink about radio communications other than
what you read about in ARRL pages. You've got a BIG problem of
sociopathy in newsgroups, always personally insulting anyone
who disagrees with you. Take your standard "sign off" as an
example:

There's a "sociopath" here, Lennie, but it's not me.

It's the guy who keeps posting rant after rant about his alleged
"professional" and "military" careers in a forum for which either is
only incidentally germane.

Putz.

Dudly the Ugly tries to strike again...and fails. Oy, gevalt!

Who's Dudly?

He called you a putz, too...?!?!

Smart guy!

Acting Ugly with all who disagree with you...(SNIP)

But I don't.

(UNSNIP)...is NOT good PR for U.S. amateur radio...(SNIP)

Here again we have you again presuming to known what's good for
Amateur Radio all-the-while not having any vested interest in it.

(UNSNIP)...and you SO identify yourself with ALL of
amateur radio that the slightest negative against YOU personally
gets translated to some kind of "insult to all amateurs!"

It doesn't work that way.

Lennie, you're trying to "make the rules" here, and yet you're not
even a player.

What's up with that, Putz?



Steve, K4YZ