K4YZ wrote:
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K4YZ wrote:
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K4YZ wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
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Dee Flint wrote:
Movies and novels, etc often take artistic license with the facts in order
to produce more impact. That is true of both dramas and comedies. So any
one who relies on such items for their history is going to be using a far
amount of misinformation. Even the news media takes artistic license by the
selection of what facts and speculation to report since they are going for
ratings.
Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
Dee, excellent, excellent post.
That must be why some in this group constantly quote british comedy as
if it were somehow relevant to matters at hand. They get their history
from Monty Python. Telling is their admiration for the contribution(s)
that the ARS made in WWII. Quitepuzzling, since the ARS was shut down
by the US government at the time.
Many radio amateurs made their war contributions as radio operators.
Many became electronics and radio instructors. Many were involved in
radio design and manufacture. Many became involved with Civil Defense
and WERS (War Emergency Radio Service). There is a large amount of
documentation of the efforts of radio amateurs during the Second World
War. Have you read any of it?
Whoa! Talk about brilliant minds! Our posts hit at the same
time...But when I re-read mine, I accidentally "deleted" a paragraph
when I had changed a sentence I wrote prior to posting!
What I had said was that Brian's demonization of some of us who
make reference to contributions made during WW2 doesn't stand the
litmus test of objectivity. The "War Department" and other agencies of
the era went on record as praising the ARRL and it's members for the
contributions you cited, Dave...
If I made contributions to dental hygeine during any war, it would not
be as an amateur radio operator. You guys, who constantly rail against
persons having commercial and military radio experience, should know
that whatever those amateurs did during WWII were not doing it as
amateurs.
Unless you are now adopting a wider view of what constitutes radio
knowledge. Is that what you're doing? Hmmmmm?
None of us "rail against" persons with commercial or military
experience BECAUSE of that experience, Brian...
Not true.
Is true. Who else in this forum with "commercial or military"
communications experience rants on-and-on like Lennie?
We DO "rail against"
people who have NO experience in AMATEUR RADIO who then come to an
Amateur Radio forum and presume to tell us how we should be "doing"
things.
He doesn't "presume." He does so.
He doesn't "tell" me anything!
There you go personalizing everything. You're just itching for a
fight, aren't you?.
Your buddy on the liberal coast is the ONLY one here who routinely
"rails against" anyone based upon RADIO (ie technical and theoretical)
experience.
Not true.
Is true. Unless we include you.
Citation, please.
Period.
Longhand punctuation?
His attacks on me based upon having been an Armed
Forces Avionics Tech and Jim, N2EY, for his various projects are
point-in-case.
And you presume to tell Len how he should be doing things.
Nope. I have not once suggested how he conduct his "professional"
career.
Hi, hi! You deny that he has had a "professional" career.
You won't find a single posting by me in any "professional
radio" forum", Brian.
You are so unprofessional that you wouldn't know where to find one.
Yet Lennie, without one day's bit of experience in practical
Amateur Radio, persumes to know what's good for us.
Funny. That's just what the FCC does.
No one doubts that Lennie knows how a radio works or that he was
an adequate bench technician.
Not true. How many lies will you rack up in this single post?
Is true. I've said it before, and I said it right there.
What you say from one day to the next is inconsistant and suspect.
However he has, to this date, zero-point-zero hours of experience
as a licensed Radio Amateur.
Nor does the Chairman of the FCC.
The Chairman of the FCC is not in this forum, now is he?
Nor is Mr. Haney. And I do mind where some "experienced" amateurs are
trying to point the ARS.
He is not now nor ever has been a radio
OPERATOR as it pertains to Amateur Radio practice. He has
zero-point-zero hours of experience in emergency communications. His
list ot "zeros" is lengthy, yet he pretends to be an authority on
Amateur Radio policies and/or practices.
Ditto the Chaiman of the FCC and his numerous staffers. Soon, he's
going to "presume" to tell you how it is, both on policy and practice.
And they are not in this forum, are they?
However the Chairman and his staff DO have Amateurs on the FCC
payroll from whom thye take counsel.
Conflict of interest.
He's nothing of the sort.
Your adaptation of his diversion about how "we" allegedly "diss"
him along some ill-perceived lines of how radios work or RF propagates
is assinine.
Not true. Lie #4.
Is true. And I can see you're back in form.
Myself and others have "called" Lennie based upon NUMEROUS errors
as they pertain to Amateur Radio policy and practice.
Everyone makes mistakes. Even you as, I have pointed out so many times
before.
You and he are the ONLY ones suggesting that the theory of
electronics or radio wave propagation are issues here.
You are the one suggesting it. Len and I are the ones pointing it out.
Lastly, the original argument was about contributions that
Amatuers made during WW2. All of the references I made were to
electronics-related fields for which AMATEURS were SPECIFCIALLY sought
and recruited due to thier already-demonstrated competency or skill in
radiocommunications.
Hmmmm? There's that damned one way valve again. Amateurs can jump in
and fill military and commercial radio roles, but commercial and
military radio Ops can have absolutely NO knowledge of amateur comms!
Hi, hi! Talk about an Iron Curtain! Your brain is on "diode."
Nope.
Where did I say that, Brian?
Then tell us how it works, again.
No one, myself included, ever stated that thier licensure was the
end-all or sole reason for thier employment or service.
Steve, K4YZ
Cronyism and Nepotism are as good reasons as any. You could do worse
by having someone who actually knows something about RF making comments
on the ARS.
What does knowing ANYthing about "RF" have to do with knowing
about the Amateur Radio service?
The FCC tests us on knowledge of RF for "licensure." Take it up with
them.
I worked with many engineers in 2000. About a third of them were
Amateur licensees. The rest weren't. They were excellent in thier
fields. But they knew nothing of Amateur Radio.
Holy Cow! A third of the engineers were amateur radio operators but
knew nothing of Amateur Radio? Were they RF engineers?
Lennie's "knowledge" of "Amateur Radio" comes from having used an
Amateur Radio magazine to get his "writings" into print and from his
flailing's-about in this forum.
It's too bad that you are allowed to continue to denigrate a fine
amateur radio builders publication merely to discredit Len's articles
that were contained within it's covers.
Best of Luck.
For what? Pulling the rug out from underneath you and Lennie?
That didn't need luck...You make it all too easy.
You are truly delusional.