Alun L. Palmer wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in
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On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:41:58 -0400, Mike Coslo
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On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 14:23:24 -0400, Mike Coslo
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cutns?
Strange. I read about the PCTA's being ill mannered and rude. I
do find
in practice however, that the NCTA's and interested others are the
ones telling people to keep their mouth shut.
yea we advocate against harrassment one of the worst forms of
rudeness
Procders complain that other excercising there free speech is somehow
infringing on their own
So I guess what you are saying is that your cause is so righteous
that
you are justified in squelching the other side?
no effort to squech it has been made. he has the right to ignore me if
he likes, as do you of course, and I have the right to tell to shut
up and stoping acting like High Inqusitor or impling that Len is doing
something imporper in reading and counting as he sees fit
How many hunderd question does Jim need to ask before he reconizes
that Len is not required to answer him
or when wil Jim realize there has not been a grand inquistitor
apponointed eith for Ham radio or RRAP
People that tell other people to shut up are acting like grand
inquisitors.
A lot of people on the no-code side don;t like Jim because he
generally
keeps his cool, and puts forth pretty good arguments.
- Mike KB3EIA -
On the contrary, I like Jim because he is rational and polite.
Thanks, Alun!
I don't have to agree with him, though.
Of course not.
He did raise a valid point about citizenship,
i.e. it is irrelevant, but I raised this point myself with Len before and didn't get an answer.
FCC doesn't exclude noncitizens, so why should a count of the
comments exclude them? A noncitizen can get an FCC license, but
has to take the same tests as a citizen, so why shouldn't their
comments be counted?
Len has a proven track record of mistakes here, particularly in
the area of FCC regulations, so it's not unreasonable to ask
about how his numbers are compiled and how they are checked.
Any way you look at it though, more than half the comments are in favour of
the NPRM and less than a third against, the rest being divided into those
who want a code test retained for the Extra and those who
otherwise fall in the middle ground.
I disagree!
The NPRM proposes to eliminate *all* Morse Code
testing for an amateur license. Someone who supports
the NPRM must, by definition, support the removal
of *all* code testing, not just some of it. Otherwise
they are opposed to the NPRM.
The detail of whether they support the current level
of Morse Code testing, or whether they support a
reduction but not complete elimination, does not
change the fact that they are opposed to the NPRM as
it stands.
The FCC will have no problem deciding that they have a
mandate to abolish Element 1 based on the comments.
Perhaps - but recall that FCC is not required to follow
the majority opinion. They did not follow majority
opinion in 1999 either...
More important to the discussion of 'scorecards' is the
accuracy of the count. At present, Len's 'scorecard' is
made up of about 2500 comments that pass some vaguely
defined tests of validity.
With a base of 2500 comments, a single comment represents .04% of the
total, and 25 comments represent 1% of the total. With the totals being
so close, it would not take a lot of mistakes to change the apparent
majority.
Showing the apparent results to four significant figures may
give the illusion of accuracy to some, but in fact there's a
pretty big range of interpretation to those numbers.
For example, if one person submits multiple comments that are somewhat
different from each other (but all from the same
person), are they all counted, or just one?
If one person submits comments and reply comments (but all from the
same person), are they all counted, or just one?
If a club or organization comments, does that count as one comment or
multiple comments?
If a single comment has multiple signatures, does it count as one
comment or does the number of signatures come into play?
You can see that depending on how the above questions are
answered, and rules are applied, the results can be far different.
So we are all just waiting for the other shoe to drop.
Probably. FCC may simply be responding to the fact that if they
don't drop Element 1, the petitions and proposals will continue,
making more work for them, but no more resources.
73 de Jim, N2EY