On 29 Oct 2005 08:54:18 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 25 Oct 2005 02:12:30 -0700, wrote in
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Now you were saying something about standards.....???

Yep.

I was saying you don't measure up. And obviously the Marines felt
the same way...Twice...

Coward.

Let's talk about standards, Dudly. For instance, how do you feel about
a Marine who serves barely a month out of each year for 18 years, yet
ascends through the ranks as quickly as one who serves active duty
during the same time? Do you think that those are equal standards? I
don't think you do, Dudly, and neither does anyone else who served
during the time that you "served".

One weekend a month?

WTF are you talking about, Disgraced One?

From 03 September 1974 to 29 May 1992 I was on active duty.
Nothing else.


Oh, Dudly, how naive of you to think that nobody would find out.


And let's take this "standard" thing a bit further. What do you think
of a Marine who suddenly aquires a chronic medical problem that would
conveniently prevent him from serving in the first Gulf War should his
unit be called to active duty? And what if that medical problem wasn't
serious enough to prevent him from joining the CAP after being
discharged? I am not alone in thinking that Marine is a coward who
shirked his responsibilities and skated out of his oath.

Good question. Why not ask a Reservist that same question. I was
with NAMTD-1032 during DS, so it wasn't going anywhere. My only
"reserve" time were those Delayed Entry days rom April of 74 until
September 74 when I went active.


Dudly engages in damage control.....


As for "skating out of his oath", that has you written ALL OVER
IT, Miss Silliland...the boy who had to get his discharge "upgraded".


......as evidenced by my recent sex-change operation. And further proof
of your lies since a discharge (general or honorable) or retirement
puts you on inactive reserve. If your "only 'reserve' time" was prior
to boot camp then your discharge could only have been either medical
or administrative. And you have already stated that it was medical. A
medical discharge is -NOT- an honorable discharge. It may be a general
discharge under honorable conditions, but we both know that's not the
same thing, don't we, Dudly?


BTW, Miss Silliland...even if I HAD been a reservist, so what?
Guess who makes up the lion's share of the Total Force concept, and
who's "carrying the day" in Iraq as we speak?

Reservists and National Guardsmen.

So much for your "one weekend" standard theory, eh?


Too bad you didn't think of that before you decided to hide the fact
that you were a reservist yourself. But you and I both know that,
between Vietnam and the first Gulf War, the reservists developed a
less-than-respectable reputation because they were almost never called
to active duty. That's why us Marines on active duty called you guys
"weekend warriors", and why you decided to hide that fact when you
told people that you were a Marine.


Just one more "standard", Dudly..... have you ever heard of "guilt by
association"? I'm sure you have. But there is also a thing called
"credit by association", where someone claims credit for the honorable
actions of others for no reason other than the fact that he is allowed
to wear the same uniform. You wouldn't know anyone who would do such a
thing, would you, Dudly? Like maybe someone who claims to have been
personally involved in "seven hostile actions" when it was really some
-other- Marines who were digging the red mud out of their boots in
Beirut?

If you want to go for the "credit by association" gig, Cowardly
One, go talk to Lennie Anderson...He's given us lengthy stories of how
his rear-area radio mechanic duties qualified him to speak on a great
many military subjects as if he "was there"...Oh, and it also put him
on the same par with guys who were KIA three YEARS before he was even
inducted. And don't forget to ask him about the "sphinchter" post and
how he served "under the threat of the Soviet Bear bomber..."


Typical liar; you try to justify your lies by telling how someone else
is a bigger liar. Forget about Lennie -- this isn't about anyone else
but you, Dudly.


As for "credit by association" and other such things, that's why I
don't discuss my Marine Corps career here other than to state that I
did...


But you -have- discussed your "career" on occasion, usually disclosing
information that was speculative, mythological, foraged from novels
and movies, or just flat-out wrong.


Deceivers such as yourself and Lennie Anderson like to take sport
with other people's service.


Again, this isn't about Lennie. Do try to remain focused.


This post of yours is a prime example.

You have never disclosed your reservist status because you wanted the
respect earned by those who made the Marines a proud organization, but
you never earned that respect by performing the same duties.

Lies, lies and more lies.

And even more substantiation of my belief that your dismissal from
the Marine Corps was not only warranted, but "for the good of the
Corps".


I have scanned and posted more than enough documentation to prove my
record of service. I demonstrated that such proof can be provided
without disclosing important info, like an SSN. But you have provided
nothing more than a few unsubstantiated claims -- you don't have the
courage to provide proof of your "career". It wouldn't require any
courage to do so -IF- your claims were true. But they aren't. Hence
your fear to disclose the truth.


And you chickened out of your oath and your responsibility to your country
when it came time to put your ass on the line. Yet you have the gall
to sit your fat ass and criticize -me-, an honorably discharged...(SNIP)

Unh unh uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

You were NOT "honorably discharged"...

You were discharged as LESS than honorable, Mr Wordmeister.

You were "upgraded". You got the benefit of the doubt on your
cutting scores for the POST-discharge "upgrade".


Didn't we discuss this "cutting score" thing before? The Marine Corps
doesn't use "cutting scores" for discharges, let alone promotions.
Discharges are based upon your proficiency and conduct marks.


(UNSNIP)...Beirut vet, just because I got into a couple scrapes. Steve, you are an
honor-thief, a malingering coward, and a sniveling sack of ####.

Sorry, you Cowardly Putz...wrong on so many levels.

But then you're USED to being wrong, aren't you?

Wrong enough to get COURT MARTIALED. Twice...

Article 15 punishments are "scrapes". The Sergeant Major puts you
on "firewatch" for a month for "scrapes".


The Company First Sergeant usually handles NJP, not a Sergeant Major
(which is a rank for Battalion- or Regiment-level posts). And NJP
typically results in restriction, not firewatch. More proof that you
don't know squat about the -real- Marine Corps.


Your NCOIC has you field day
the shop or stand extra duty for "scrapes".


NCOIC? Don't you mean 'squad leader', 'platoon sergeant', or 'shop
chief'? But none of them have the authority to conduct a proceeding
under Article 15. Dudly, the more you talk the more you demonstrate
the fact that you never served on active duty. Keep up the good work!


YOU were FOUND GUILTY for OFFENSES.


I was found guilty of CRIMES! Lions and tigers and bears.... OH MY!!!


And who's polishing WHOSE brass with "credit by association" here,
Mr Alleged Beirut Marine?


I posted proof. If you didn't read it then that's your problem.


Whether you believe it or not, I was as
close to exploding things as you were, but it does not make me any
better than anyone else who served in those theaters...just lucky.


We all threw a live grenade in boot camp, Dudly. That "theater" is not
a war zone where you have to duck tracer fire, mortar rounds or RPGs
fired by people who are trying to kill you. You never served in a
"theater" where they don't call 'time-out' when a bullet drills
through your leg. And I'm absolutely certain that you never served in
any "theater" where dead people were left on the streets to get eaten
by rats for fear of ending up the same way. But go right ahead and
keep trying to convince people that you served in such a "theater"
because those of us who did know better and will set them straight.


Steve, K4YZ

You had your chance to fess up and now you've been outed.

Outed? For what? Your lies and accusations made so you can fluff
your ego over berating a former SNCO and getting away with it...?!?!


Twisting the facts doesn't help your case, Dudly.


Nobody likes you and nobody ever will.

As opposed to all of those teeming masses laying roses at your
feet, court martialed coward? I'll take my chances here.


Well, it's a sure bet that the VFW won't take you.....


Do the right thing for once in your life and go away.

Bullies and liars don't impress me, coward.


Name-calling doesn't impress anyone, Dudly. Does it sound like I'm
trying to impress you? If it does then you're dumber than I thought.


I've given you (and indeed this forum) numerous references to
PUBLIC sources that prove all your silly accusations for the malicious
lies that they are...Boot Camp platoon...Promotion Boards....MOS's....


And I can say, "Visit the Vatican", but that doesn't mean I was ever
there, or even that I'm Catholic (which I'm not). Your references
prove nothing. Post your DD-214 and maybe, -JUST MAYBE-, you might be
able to crawl out of your hole. But, of course, you can't because then
you would be forced to concede all the lies you have told about your
"career", and you are too much of a coward to fess up to the truth.


Frank Gilliland is a liar and a coward. You weren't "stand up"
enough to do what you promised to do in the Marine Corps, and you're a
mudslinging punk here.

You'll always be second place to someone, if for no other reason
that you just don't have the guts to do otherwise.


It seems that, in lieu of providing proof of your "career", all you
can do is harp on the one issue you think gives you an edge -- my
CRIMES. But that doesn't take any courage, does it? And it's not
getting you anywhere, especially when you spin the facts regarding the
incidents, and when I am quite proud to admit that I had the courage
to stand up to a corrupt "superior". But it -is- entertaining to watch
you try and squirm your way out of being confronted with your big lie.


Steve "Weekend Warrior" Robeson, K4YZ


ooh-****ing-rah.







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