From: "-=jd=-"
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 03:37:34 GMT
Subject: (OT) The Plame-Blame-Game

On Sat 29 Oct 2005 09:34:31p, Greg wrote in
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From: "-=jd=-"
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Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 16:52:21 GMT
Subject: AIR Thiruvananthapuram

On Sat 29 Oct 2005 11:05:27a, Greg wrote in
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Shock may be too strong of a word. Frustrated and/or dissappointed
might be more accurate, considering that the basis for the entire
"Fitzmas" investigation remins unfounded

...I think that remains to be seen.

From what I can gather she had not been covert in over 5 years; she was one
of the agents "outed" by Aldrich Ames; and her cover had also been blown in
some transaction between the Swiss and Cubans. If Fitz is considering
leaking classified info (the Wilson Report) then Joe Wilson, while
contracted as an advisor to the Gore campaign, wrote an Op-Ed piece about
it. He would need to be considered as revealing the same classified info.
Presuming there's no surprise info, "Fitzmas" has turned into "Fitzween".

And I think the whole purpose of the investigation was to determine if
anyone committed a crime. "Fitzmas" and "Fitzween" are cynical terms
reflecting partisan points of view. I don't think the investigation was
party-driven, although, clearly, the two opposing parties stand to "win" or
"lose".


and Bush, Cheney and Rove remain unscathed.

Cheney lost his chief of staff, possibly because he committed perjury,
thinking he was protecting Cheney;

I believe Fitz has indicated he has no interest in Cheney and Libby had no
need to protect Cheney. Cheney and Libby can talk about all the classified
info they want, as they both have clearances. Libby purjured himself in an
effort to try and minimize his culpability. It's almost funny that he
didn't even need to panick. He could have told the truth without penalty.

Funny is when a stupid bank robber writes the robbery note on the back of
his own deposit slip with his name & address printed on the front. Libby's
(alleged) actions, are pathetic for a high-paid government official. Whether
he "needed" to protect Cheney is moot; it looks as though that may have been
his purpose. And not necessarily to cover an illegal act, but maybe just to
cover the fact that Cheney sought to do harm to Wilson.

Rove is still under investigation and
came very close to being indicted - he still could be;


For the limited remaining lifespan of the investigation, it's not very
likely. If Fitz could base perjury, obstruction and false-claims against
Libby based on two-party conversations with no other witnesses,

....and other evidence...

*certainly* he could have found similar circumstances to indict Rove.

....IF evidence existed.

I'd say the reason he didn't is because he's driven more by the facts,
rather than the politics and the content of Rove's testimony didn't indicate
an indictment was reasonable.

Agreed. All I said is that "Rove is still under investigation". That's not
good for the administration, that's bad.

Bush's approval rating continues to fall.

Considering it's better or close to his second-term predecessors, he's
pretty much shooting par for a second-term president.

I don't know the numbers for other presidents, but I find that hard to
believe.

I consider them all scathed.


Opinions vary...


Personally, I worry that if Rove were indicted and had to step down,
who does that leave to run the country? Cheney? That's really scarey.


Especially scary to the islamofascists.



As for Libby, I'm betting he will serve time in prison.


As well he should! He raised his right hand and swore an oath to tell
the truth. Apparently he thought he could cross his fingers when he
lied. Shame on him. To pour salt in his wound, it seems he had no need
to lie as he wouldn't, or couldn't, have been charged with "outing" an
agency NOC. This would be in stark contrast to the Clinton
administration after showing both Bill and Hillary either committed
"purjury under oath" *and/or* "made false statements" during various
investigations (Jones, Lewinski, Rose Law Firm, Travelgate, Whitewater,
etc). Though, Bill did lose his law license for a bit...


(I realize this is contrary to the maxim that when a liberal is
indicted it's because all liberals are evil criminals. but when a
conservative is indicted it's because the prosecutor is a criminal.)


I wouldn't say there's anything wrong with the prosecutor at all. He's
just doing his job just like Ken Starr did his; unless you consider Ken
Starr a criminal...


Nope. I have faith in the system, though I am aware that there are
abuses in the system.


I don't believe there's any "Ronnie Earle" type shenanigans to be worried
about with Fitzgerald...

Agreed.

See, we're so agreeable!

Greg