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November 17th 05, 04:30 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy

wrote:
From: on Nov 16, 2:20 am

Dave Heil wrote:

In my comments to the Commission, I did not find it necessary to target
a single individual or group, nor did I use terms like "puffery",
"egregious" or "insulting".

Poor baby. Does Davie think that all against the code test
are equivalent to "two-year-olds refusing peas at dinner"
as Robert Rightsell did?

And once again Lennie digs in with personal attacks...Yet INSISTS
that he doesn't do such things...

That's just typical Len behavior, Dave. Check the reply comments about
ARRL, and the one about Extra Class licenses, etc.

Pro-coders are BEYOND REPROACH!!!

WOE TO ALL WHO TALK BACK TO PRO-CODERS!!!

Poor redirect. Strong on "victimization" twist.

What Len fails to understand is that such carryings-on are simply
delaying The R&O.

Whoa! "Commissioner Miccolis" is WARNING everyone?

Why not?

YOU do...

Jimmie, when you start working for GOVERNMENT as "official
watch-dog?"

You are barking up the wrong tree. Pizz on it.

More profanity.

Your organ grinder pal hasn't yet taken the
first baby step toward obtaining an amateur radio license in all these
many years.

Actually that's not quite true, Dave.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...I took my "first baby steps" in 1953, walking
into a large HF transmitter facility, working there for the
next three years. Started at age 20.

And never got past it.

My other "first baby steps" were getting (passed in one
sitting) a First Class Radiotelephone (Commercial) Radio
Operator license at an FCC Field Office in Chicago, 90
miles away. Did that at age 23...in 1956.

And there it languished...Until, of course, he "let it exprire" as
a GROL in October 2000...

Some months back, Len mentioned here that he had once, way back
in the 1950s, set about learning Morse Code. Claimed he'd actually
gotten up to about 6-8 wpm or so before deciding all the 'hard work'
wasn't worth it. That was just about the time 27 MHz cb came along,
and he jumped on that.

WRONG. MISTAKE. ERROR.

Nope. On the head. Accurate.

Class D Citizens Band was created in 1958. I got a CB License
(NO TEST) in 1959. Was working for Ramo-Wooldridge Corporation
then and had just transferred from the Electronics Warfare
Group to the Standards Laboratory.

They needed janitors there too, it seems...

I thought to give AMATEUR radio a shot in 1962, three years
LATER from obtaining a CB license. By then I'd already had
electronics design engineering responsibility and title at
Micro-Radionics, Inc., in Van Nuys, CA, and a First Phone
for 6 years and had worked among 40+ HF transmitters at one
station for 3 years in the U.S. Army. Like I "need" to
study "ham radio theory" for any AMATEUR license exam? No.
I'd never had any morse code training anywhere then, no
freebie classes in the service. Was NOT needed.

Obviously they ARE needed...Even with "point-and-click"
searchable archives at yor fingertips, you STILL screw up on a regular
basis in this forum on AMATEUR RADIO issues.

Got a reel-to-reel dupe of some code practice records and
started in with those in the "off-hours" when not doing
home work from 6 units a semester night class college
courses and playing with my first wife. Now WHICH do you
think had priority, prudey Jimmie?

WHOA! Six units a semester night, Lennie...?!?!

YOU told us that it took you FOURTEEN YEARS to obtain that degree,
Lennie.

So WHAT were you doing in between...?!?!

So, in 1962, as a staff engineer at MRI working on radar
and aircraft radionavigation test sets (up to Ku Band on
the A-6 Intruder flight deck test set) with some years of
HF and MF transmitter experience, the CB set in the sports
car already "getting dusty" and having worked with lots of
rather advanced technology DoD contract equipment...I am
SUPPOSED TO SHOW ETHICAL AND MORAL "FIBER" by learning
morse code?!?!?

No...You were supposed to learn Morse Code in order to get the
Amateur Radio license you claim you had an interest in getting.

So now, even if we accept your "1962" time frame as a basis for a
start, that makes 43 years since you were first involved in the
licensing process.

No wonder you're "retired from regular hours"...You never could
get anything done in any sort of REASONABLE timeframe!

What I think happened is this: Len discovered that unlike "book learning",
he didn't pick up on the Morse Code in a few quick lessons. For him it
took some 'hard work' to learn, and that conflicted with his view of himself
as a 'professional in radio-electronics'. Not only that, but learning Morse
Code would not help Len 'PROFESSIONALLY' - there was no money
reward waiting. So he gave up.

There was NO INTELLECTUAL REWARD "waiting," sweetums. Was
lots and lots and lots more of real, live technology to
learn everywhere in electronics. Still is.

Yep.

And those of us with an Amateur Radio license actually get to USE
some of it on a regular basis.

Why the fork was I "supposed" to GO BACK IN TIME on radio?

Seems you can't GO FORWARD IN TIME with it, now can you?

Jimmie, you poor iggorant soul...(SNIP)

More references to "Jimmie", ...and still not one "Lennie" from
him.

And what's an "iggorant" soul, Lennie...?!?!

You're not getting MAD are you? You know WHO tells us that typos
are ANGER issues unresolved... ! ! ! !

(UNSNIP)...even in 1962, the USE of
morse code ANYWHERE was already DECREASING....(SNIP)

More excuses.

Damn RIGHT there was NO MONEY in it....(SNIP)

I've been a licensed Amateur for over 30 years and haven't made a
penny at it...MAKING money wasn't the point.

And it's THE point as to why you continue to look so idiotic in
trying to cross the two, Lennie...This is NOT "commercial" radio.

There was NO INTELLECTUAL reward in it.

Ahhhhhhhhh! ONLY SOMEONE GETTING PAID can find any
"intellectual reward" in radio!

I couldn't start planning a
family in a house or a future in aerospace by learning
morse code for an AMATEUR HOBBY activity.

LAME ! ! !

So freakin' LAME!

So...How do you explain away all those people who DO have
"careers", families, obligations, etc, that STILL have time for
"AMATEUR HOBBY" activity, Lennie...?!?!

Sorry, Jimmie,
but morsemanship skills in 1962 didn't help me pay a
mortgage...didn't help me buy food...didn't help pay for
clothes or, later, doctor and hospice bills to come,
though I didn't know that until after...

LAME LAME LAME LAME LAME LAME ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

"20/20 Hindsight EXCUSES" that are nothing BUT excuses!

Yeah, like morse code was "cutting-edge technology" and
"excellence in radio" in 1962? Bull####.

The bull#### is YOURS Lennie ! !

YOU have ALREADY CLAIMED in several posts that you DID learn the
Morse Code, and to a speed that would have at least carried you
throught the then-exisiting Technician license!

You CLAIM that you earned a First Phone ticked well before you did
THAT!

All that an engineer of your ALLEGED caliber would have needed
were the pertinent regulations for the radio service in which licensure
was sought.

You don't
know that because you weren't yet the great big EXTRA
super special AMATEUR license until long after and were
still a kiddie then. Hell, you couldn't even hack the
one extra test element for a FIRST 'Phone much later
and settled for SECOND Class. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Tsk tsk tsk on yet ANOTHER LAME redirect, Lennie!

And in the face of a guy who DID learn Morse Code while starting a
carrer in engineering, starting a family, etc etc etc!

He hasn't gotten into amateur radio. He isn't in amateur
radio. He will not be in amateur radio, no matter what he writes here.

Which would lead any logical person to wonder why he's so interested
in amateur radio regulations. He won't say *why* all this matters so
much to him.

Tsk, tsk. Jimmie make "plain, simple mistake." I've already
written (it is all still in Google) that it might be FUN to
get into amateur radio. I've already written that it is an
enjoyable hobby pastime shared by thousands. Why do you
disagree with that or say I never wrote it?

Because you've never DONE it.

You whine about it.

You rant about it.

You pontificate about it.

You insult those who DO do it.

I guess the point now, is, who would WANT you in it?

Let's see...I am retired from a successful career (from regular
hours, I still do contract work IF I want to) in electronics
design engineering, have a fine house (all paid for), have a
wonderful wife (who was also my high school sweetheart), have
had enough TITLES and POSITIONS to satisfy me, half century,
a comfortable income to handle easy living now.

Ahhhhhhhhhh...but "titles and postitions" are things to be LOATHED
and held in SUSPICION, Lennie! You've said so yourself!

Another LIE by the grnadmaster of the lie?

I do NOT NEED TO PROVE ANYTHING by getting more TITLES, more
certificates suitable for framing.

Gee...Neither do we.

However I bet you have all of your "comments", "reply comments",
and "reply to reply comments" in a nice little notebook in "document
protectors", also suitable for framing.

I am sure you are "shocked and awed" by your brilliance.

I do not need my friends
and neighbors to come over and marvel at my cutting-edge radio
technology of homebuilt tube kludges designed in the 1990s; we
talk about other things and are friendly.

And I am sure the two of you have LOT'S to talk about.
Lessee...there's your participation in disaster relief...Oh
wait...There's all those "professionals" who do that...No need YOU
getting involved. You filled some sandbags in 72 or 74...Good for you.

OK...so there's your participation in General Aviation..Oh
wait...You never carried THAT to fruition either. Took a couple of
lessons, never soloed, then "settled' for copying the reports off of
ATIS or listening to LAX on your scanner.

Guess you can discuss your model aircraft building hobby...But
WAIT! That technology is rooted in the 30's and 40's
too...Hmmmm....We're running out of topics here. Not to mention no
"intellectual reward" just to make a model go around and round....

I suppose we'll have to discuss your background in healthcare...

Ooops...Yet ANOTHER field in which you've wandered but never got a
map for.

Well then...How about a good round of "show me the grandkid's
pictures..."...?!?! Oh wait...Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....No kids, so no
GRANDkids. There's yet ANOTHER one-way street for ya, Lennie.....

I guess that leaves the 13,768th re-telling of the "ADA
Story"...?!?!

I have ONE sole-
inventor patent and a nice plaque from RCA Corporation which
I NO LONGER display on the wall like a trophy.

Why?

Are you not proud of it?

Or finally realize that no one believed it was your "sole" work in
the first place...?!?!

My wife has
THREE degrees, one BA, two MSs, and she doesn't need those
displayed on the wall; those are in storage up in Puget Sound
area weren't on display in the northern house.

So...You both have things that you have allegedly accomplished but
are too ashamed of to let folks see the fruits of your labors?

We are secure in ourselves.

She may be, but you're anything BUT "secure".

We've "done it" and DON'T need to brag, don't
need more pretty certificates suitable for framing. The
FUTURE is just ahead and we are ENJOYING that. Why don't you
like others enjoying life as THEY prefer?

B I N G O ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Lennie, why don't YOU take your OWN COUNSEL...?!?!?

You claim you didn't get an Amatuer Radio license due to a lack of
"intellectual" or "pecuniary" reward, yet you've littered the Internet
for almost TEN years with your "Why I Hate Amateur Radio" bufoonery!

You VERY OBVIOUSLY have a need to force Amatuers to fit YOUR mold,
not the other way around!

Jimmie, what of YOU? You talk as if making money is some kind
of evil, capitalistic running-dog kind of thing. Are you
some kind of closet commie? A secret socialist? Or are you
just resentful that someone else has something you don't have?

He's done nothing of the sort...Just pointed out that YOUR
frequent insistance that

Jimmie, WHY do YOU and Diplomacy-Not Davie want to keep U.S.
amateur radio REGRESSED?

Why do you LIE about the Amateur Radio service being "regressed"?

Ironic you'd say such a thing yet not one word from you on the
bandwidth-vs-mode discussions that I recall...Just more "Mighty
Morsemen" sleights.

Why do YOU want to hold the status quo forever and ever?

The ONLY "forever and ever" here comes from YOU, Your Lyingness.

You are NOT custodian of archaic radio arts.

This meant something?

You've NEVER worked in 24/7 long-haul HF radio traffic services.

And YOU did...?!?!

24/7...No Sleep? No breaks? No liberty, parades, marches or
leave?

YOU did it ALL BY YOURSELF?

And please, Lennie...TELL US how that MAINTENANCE MOS of yours put
you in a position to "handle" even the FIRST PIECE of traffic!

I thought that's what CommCenter clerks were for.

You've apparently NEVER done any radio activity outside of HF.

You've apparently never done ANY radio activity within the scope
of what Radio Amateurs do...Oh, you've caused RF to be radiated before,
but you were not a radio operator in the Armed Forces and with the
exception of a CB radio, you've not been a "radio operator" in the
civilian world...Oh, you've caused RF to be radiatied, but hey, so do
30 million Americans with a microwave or garage door opener

You never got a FIRST 'Phone even though you
claim to be "so educated" and that extra exam element is NOT
any intellectual challenge.

A commercial ticket is a HAVE to do if you intend to work in REAL
"professional radio", Lennie. (And BTW...It's been the GROL for 30
years now...Feel free to catch up any time you're ready...)

You aren't, and never were, any
radio regulating person in government...yet you make out like
you "KNOW" things they do.

So do YOU, Lennie...Witness your copy-cat style of comment/reply
comment filings.

I am sure that you figure that if it LOOKS like a duck they won't
hear the whinings of a two year old in the text.

Hell, you've never had PRIDE in
what you work at at work and try to keep your employer a
big, dark secret...you never talk about it except in very
vague descriptions and implications.

And let you engage on yet another non-germane rant of yours...?!?!

Jimmie, are you a merry masochist or a chary control-freak,
insisting that it is "morally wrong" to go against morse
code testing? You are really resentful and unarguably
antagonistic against all who "haven't done it like you did
it." WHY does everyone have to do it like you did it?
Why are you holding back uncountable newcomers of the future?

YOU hold more back than Jim had ever thought of, Lennie!

You've been asked before...Here it is AGAIN! How many kids have
YOU mentored into an Amateur Radio "career", Lennie...Heck, into ANY
discipline of electronics...?!?!

Any...?!?!? Just ONE...?!?!?!

Hobbies are supposed to be FUN, Jimmie. You don't want
FUN? Are you in some strange "radio-Amish" cult that wants
to stop technology and standards and practices in a HOBBY
radio activity to the 1930s era?

Why do you persist in this blatant lie, Lennie?

You talk and act like that.

No, he doesn't. Nor does he add an " -ie" to the names of people
who allege to NOT do that to others...Yet YOU do, Lennie...Why?

You are not nice to those who want to change your fantasy,
Jimmie. You insist on having it YOUR way, to "work hard"
at a HOBBY. Maybe it's a RELIGIOUS thing to you, this
morsemanship? We all "must" worship at the Church of St.
Hiram and seek the Holy Key as penitants, perhaps as
flagellants, for some "higher calling?"

Compared to YOUR 'flagellations", Lennie?

You've been at this for 43 years now...No WONDER you think everyone
else is in that time frame too!

Not my "cuppa," Jimmie. HOBBIES are for FUN, for enjoyment.
AMATEUR radio is a HOBBY, Jimmie.

Sheeeeeesh..

Here we go again...

Still cannot find a SINGLE reference to ANY radio service in the
United States as being created as a "hobby". Are they used as such?
Of course! But then I can use such logic to call a license in the
conventional public service pool as a "hobby license" too!

No matter what YOUR
fantasy tells you, it is NOT vital to the nation nor is it
the highest plane of existance of man's endeavors to become
a mighty morseman. Really.

No one said that being a "mighty morseman" was...However your
perceptions of the the Amatuer Radio service are NOT held by the
Deaprtment of Defense, the Department of State, The Department of
Homeland Security, etc etc etc.....

I think hobbies are FUN, Jimmie. Maybe ham radio would be
FUN for me. It might even be FUN for thousands and thousands
in the future. Yet, you want the FCC to keep regulations
that makes a HOBBY activity "hard work" or some odd kind of
"competitive sports" with attendant titles and privileges
as if in a feudal state. You want to be SUPERIOR through
morsemanship. SUPERIOR to all others with rank-title-status
in a HOBBY. All bow down to your extra-class 20 WPM lordship?

You'd have us bowing down to your 1950's era rear-area-radio
mechanic lordship, Lennie...

I'm "just asking questions," Jimmie.

Me too.

Why don't you treat yourself to a REAL mental health
provider...?!?! Not that correspondence school nitwit you married.

Steve, K4YZ