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November 17th 05, 10:45 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy

wrote:
From: on Nov 16, 2:20 am

Dave Heil wrote:

In my comments to the Commission, I did not find it necessary to target
a single individual or group, nor did I use terms like "puffery",
"egregious" or "insulting".

Poor baby. Does Davie think that all against the code test
are equivalent to "two-year-olds refusing peas at dinner"
as Robert Rightsell did?

That's just typical Len behavior, Dave. Check the reply comments about
ARRL, and the one about Extra Class licenses, etc.

Pro-coders are BEYOND REPROACH!!!

WOE TO ALL WHO TALK BACK TO PRO-CODERS!!!

:-)

What Len fails to understand is that such carryings-on are simply
delaying The R&O.

Whoa! "Commissioner Miccolis" is WARNING everyone?

Nope - just stating some facts. Your wordy personal attacks in reply
comments to FCC just make you look worse than those you attack, Len.

Your organ grinder pal hasn't yet taken the
first baby step toward obtaining an amateur radio license in all these
many years.

Actually that's not quite true, Dave.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...I took my "first baby steps" in 1953, walking
into a large HF transmitter facility, working there for the
next three years. Started at age 20.

As part of a group of 700 or so.

But you hadn't taken even the first baby step to getting an amateur
radio license.

My other "first baby steps" were getting (passed in one
sitting) a First Class Radiotelephone (Commercial) Radio
Operator license at an FCC Field Office in Chicago, 90
miles away. Did that at age 23...in 1956.

But you still hadn't taken even the first baby step to getting an
amateur radio license.

Some months back, Len mentioned here that he had once, way back
in the 1950s, set about learning Morse Code. Claimed he'd actually
gotten up to about 6-8 wpm or so before deciding all the 'hard work'
wasn't worth it. That was just about the time 27 MHz cb came along,
and he jumped on that.

WRONG. MISTAKE. ERROR.

Actually two errors. Got the date wrong and the sequence with cb.

Class D Citizens Band was created in 1958. I got a CB License
(NO TEST) in 1959.

And you *still* hadn't taken even the first baby step to getting an
amateur radio license.

Let's see....you were ~26 then...

Was working for Ramo-Wooldridge Corporation
then and had just transferred from the Electronics Warfare
Group to the Standards Laboratory.

Why is that important?

I thought to give AMATEUR radio a shot in 1962, three years
LATER from obtaining a CB license.

At about 29 years of age....

By then I'd already had
electronics design engineering responsibility and title at
Micro-Radionics, Inc., in Van Nuys, CA,

Lot of different employers for a guy under 30....

and a First Phone
for 6 years and had worked among 40+ HF transmitters at one
station for 3 years in the U.S. Army.

The number of transmitters seems to grow with each telling.

Like I "need" to
study "ham radio theory" for any AMATEUR license exam? No.

You might have needed to study the rules and regulations.

I'd never had any morse code training anywhere then, no
freebie classes in the service. Was NOT needed.

Not for the jobs you did. For other jobs it would have been essential.

Got a reel-to-reel dupe of some code practice records

Pirated copy?

and
started in with those in the "off-hours" when not doing
home work from 6 units a semester night class college
courses and playing with my first wife. Now WHICH do you
think had priority, prudey Jimmie? :-)

"prudey"?

So, in 1962, as a staff engineer at MRI working on radar
and aircraft radionavigation test sets (up to Ku Band on
the A-6 Intruder flight deck test set) with some years of
HF and MF transmitter experience, the CB set in the sports
car already "getting dusty"

Why?

and having worked with lots of
rather advanced technology DoD contract equipment...I am
SUPPOSED TO SHOW ETHICAL AND MORAL "FIBER" by learning
morse code?!?!?

It's up to you, Len. Back then the Novice and Technician licenses
required
only a 5 wpm test. A full-privileges General class license required 13
wpm.
You stated that you "GAVE UP" at around 6 or 8 wpm.

What I think happened is this: Len discovered that unlike "book learning",
he didn't pick up on the Morse Code in a few quick lessons.

Looks like that part's true.

For him it
took some 'hard work' to learn, and that conflicted with his view of himself
as a 'professional in radio-electronics'.

True again.

Not only that, but learning Morse
Code would not help Len 'PROFESSIONALLY' - there was no money
reward waiting. So he gave up.

There was NO INTELLECTUAL REWARD "waiting," sweetums.

Sure there was - the amateur radio license and all that you could
do with it. Wasn't worth your time? Fine!

Was
lots and lots and lots more of real, live technology to
learn everywhere in electronics. Still is.

Then why are you here?

Why the fork was I "supposed" to GO BACK IN TIME on radio?

There was nobody using Morse Code in 1962?

Jimmie, you poor iggorant soul, even in 1962, the USE of
morse code ANYWHERE was already DECREASING.

Really?

On land it
was almost done for. On RF it had already been DISPLACED
by faster (100 WPM) teleprinter "traffic" on long-haul HF
radio circuits. USAF SAC had ALREADY started the single-
channel SSB VOICE revolution on HF with DoD contracts.

What about the Navy? Coast Guard? Maritime radio?

Most of all, what about *amateur* radio?

Damn RIGHT there was NO MONEY in it.

Bingo! I was right!

There was NO
INTELLECTUAL reward in it.

Then what's your problem?

I couldn't start planning a
family in a house or a future in aerospace by learning
morse code for an AMATEUR HOBBY activity. Sorry, Jimmie,
but morsemanship skills in 1962 didn't help me pay a
mortgage...didn't help me buy food...didn't help pay for
clothes or, later, doctor and hospice bills to come,
though I didn't know that until after...

In other words, if it didn't make money for you, it wasn't going to
get your time and effort.

Yeah, like morse code was "cutting-edge technology" and
"excellence in radio" in 1962?

Who said that? Not me.

Do you always have to be on the cutting edge, Len? Do you have a
cutting-edge computer?

Bull****.

Awwwww.

You don't
know that because you weren't yet the great big EXTRA
super special AMATEUR license until long after and were
still a kiddie then.

In 1962 I was 8 years old

5 years later, in 1967, I was a licensed amateur radio operator at age
13. You were not.

8 years later, in 1970, I earned the Amateur Extra license at age 16.
Between 10th and 11th grade. You were not licensed as a radio amateur
then, either.

8 years is hardly "long after" and I guess you consider 13 - 16 to be
"kiddies"...

Hell, you couldn't even hack the
one extra test element for a FIRST 'Phone much later
and settled for SECOND Class. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

I got the Second Phone at age 18, in 1972. Didn't need a First Phone.

He hasn't gotten into amateur radio. He isn't in amateur
radio. He will not be in amateur radio, no matter what he writes here.

Which would lead any logical person to wonder why he's so interested
in amateur radio regulations. He won't say *why* all this matters so
much to him.

Tsk, tsk. Jimmie make "plain, simple mistake." I've already
written (it is all still in Google) that it might be FUN to
get into amateur radio.

"might be FUN"?

For whom? You don't say it might be fun for *you*. One would think that
after 43 years you'd know....

I've already written that it is an
enjoyable hobby pastime shared by thousands.

But not shared by *you*

Why do you
disagree with that or say I never wrote it?

You don't tell us why *you* are so interested in something you are
not a part of and most probably never will be.

Let's see...I am retired from a successful career (from regular
hours, I still do contract work IF I want to) in electronics
design engineering, have a fine house (all paid for), have a
wonderful wife (who was also my high school sweetheart), have
had enough TITLES and POSITIONS to satisfy me, half century,
a comfortable income to handle easy living now.

You've told us how great things are for you many, many times, Len.
As if all that somehow explains your obsession.

But you still haven't taken even the first baby step to getting an
amateur radio license.

I do NOT NEED TO PROVE ANYTHING by getting more TITLES, more
certificates suitable for framing.

Not about that at all.

I do not need my friends
and neighbors to come over and marvel at my cutting-edge radio
technology of homebuilt tube kludges designed in the 1990s; we
talk about other things and are friendly.

Then why are you so unfriendly here, Len?

I have ONE sole-
inventor patent and a nice plaque from RCA Corporation which
I NO LONGER display on the wall like a trophy.

But you did once....

My wife has
THREE degrees, one BA, two MSs, and she doesn't need those
displayed on the wall; those are in storage up in Puget Sound
area weren't on display in the northern house.

But you mention them and your other accomplishments here, and in
comments to FCC, over and over again.

Yet you have no amateur radio license....

We are secure
in ourselves. We've "done it" and DON'T need to brag, don't
need more pretty certificates suitable for framing.

Then why are you here?

The
FUTURE is just ahead and we are ENJOYING that. Why don't you
like others enjoying life as THEY prefer?

It seems to me that what you most enjoy about amateur radio is
insulting
and denigrating radio amateurs via the internet.

Jimmie, what of YOU?

Who is this "Jimmie" you speak of?

You talk as if making money is some kind
of evil, capitalistic running-dog kind of thing. Are you
some kind of closet commie? A secret socialist?

Well, you can't be talking about me, because I'm none of those things.

Or are you
just resentful that someone else has something you don't have?

Not me. You sure seem to be, though.

Jimmie, WHY do YOU and Diplomacy-Not Davie want to keep U.S.
amateur radio REGRESSED?

I don't.

Why do YOU want to hold the status
quo forever and ever?

I think good things should be retained. Old is not bad.

You are NOT custodian of archaic radio
arts. You've NEVER worked in 24/7 long-haul HF radio traffic
services. You've apparently NEVER done any radio activity
outside of HF.

Actually, I have.

You never got a FIRST 'Phone even though you
claim to be "so educated" and that extra exam element is NOT
any intellectual challenge.

Where did I claim any of that?

You aren't, and never were, any
radio regulating person in government..

Neither were you..

.yet you make out like
you "KNOW" things they do.

Have I been wrong?

Hell, you've never had PRIDE in
what you work at at work

Not me. I'm proud of what I do. I just don't repeat it over and over
and over in an amateur radio newsgroup.

and try to keep your employer a
big, dark secret...you never talk about it except in very
vague descriptions and implications.

Why should I mention it here, Len? Is there *any* employment that would
change the way you behave towards others who disagree with you?

Jimmie, are you a merry masochist or a chary control-freak,
insisting that it is "morally wrong" to go against morse
code testing?

Who is this "Jimmie", Len? The person you describe isn't like
me at all.

You are really resentful and unarguably
antagonistic against all who "haven't done it like you did
it."

That would be more like *you*, Len.

WHY does everyone have to do it like you did it?
Why are you holding back uncountable newcomers of the future?

Hobbies are supposed to be FUN, Jimmie. You don't want
FUN? Are you in some strange "radio-Amish" cult that wants
to stop technology and standards and practices in a HOBBY
radio activity to the 1930s era? You talk and act like that.

Nobody used Morse Code in the 1940s?

You are not nice to those who want to change your fantasy,
Jimmie. You insist on having it YOUR way, to "work hard"
at a HOBBY. Maybe it's a RELIGIOUS thing to you, this
morsemanship? We all "must" worship at the Church of St.
Hiram and seek the Holy Key as penitants, perhaps as
flagellants, for some "higher calling?"

Not my "cuppa," Jimmie. HOBBIES are for FUN, for enjoyment.

So if something isn't fun for *you*, it must not exist....

AMATEUR radio is a HOBBY, Jimmie.

And much more, Len. You think the amateurs who went to help
out after the recent hurricanes were only "hobbyists" doing it for
"FUN"?

No matter what YOUR
fantasy tells you, it is NOT vital to the nation nor is it
the highest plane of existance of man's endeavors to become
a mighty morseman. Really.

I think hobbies are FUN, Jimmie. Maybe ham radio would be
FUN for me.

Finally! But you're not sure?

It might even be FUN for thousands and thousands
in the future. Yet, you want the FCC to keep regulations
that makes a HOBBY activity "hard work" or some odd kind of
"competitive sports" with attendant titles and privileges
as if in a feudal state.

Naw, just a simple basic test of a useful radio skill. One that even
*you* managed to learn...

You want to be SUPERIOR through
morsemanship. SUPERIOR to all others with rank-title-status
in a HOBBY.

Why, Len, you said you were "going for Extra right out of the box"...

All bow down to your extra-class 20 WPM lordship?

Not me..